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Alex's Trip 04.24.2006 07:56 PM

Homosexuality
 
What do you think causes it?

Genes or your upbringing?

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 07:58 PM

upbringing, and influence. Im a fan of locke.
dont mean to get extreme here, but when it cam eto porn i used to hate when there was a dude in the shot [lose the feeling] now i prefer it. im not gay or anything, on a subconciuos level maybe because i can put myself in th eother guys place...

well thats a lot of info...

khchris 04.24.2006 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
What do you think causes it?

Genes or your upbringing?



Geographical location.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by khchris
Geographical location.


haha, that made me laugh quite a bit.

Proud Marie 04.24.2006 08:07 PM

Upbringing probably, also just a preference. Kind of like prefering blondes or brunettes.

EyeballGrowth 04.24.2006 08:07 PM

I'm a big supporter of gay rights. Even though I'm supportive and accepting of homosexuality, I find it hard to believe that lots of people are born gay. I think it more something you become early or late in life. I don't think that anyone really comes out of the womb being aroused only by men and not women. But there's no doubt in my mind that plenty of people discover it in their early childhood years

terminal pharmacy 04.24.2006 08:08 PM

genetics

finding nobody 04.24.2006 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham
upbringing, and influence. Im a fan of locke.
dont mean to get extreme here, but when it cam eto porn i used to hate when there was a dude in the shot [lose the feeling] now i prefer it. im not gay or anything, on a subconciuos level maybe because i can put myself in th eother guys place...

well thats a lot of info...

i feel the same way dude.

i've got a freind who's gay. i don't treat him any differently because of that. i wouldn't be pissed off if he flirted with me. i'd just tell him i'm not into that.

but it could be genetics or upbringing. have their been any studies done on the subject?

nature scene 04.24.2006 08:15 PM

there may possibly be a genetic disposition, but i think that upbringing plays the largest role.

sonikold 04.24.2006 08:20 PM

genetics.


or magic.

Laila 04.24.2006 08:25 PM

it's magic

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:26 PM

the tooth fairy takes your teeth and turns the little children into lesbos and homos!

Anngella 04.24.2006 08:27 PM

I was talking to my friend Mike and he asked me if I've had any bad experiences with guys ..I told him that I did and asked him how he knew that, he said it's because I'm bi. Apparantly in his experience most girls who are bi have had bad experiences with guys at an early age.
So basically I think that it has to do with things that happen early in life in some cases, could be genetics in others, could be a lot of things. I'm a very strong supporter of gay rights and the like, and whenever I see someone being made fun of for being gay it makes me very upset (I just found this out because I saw it on a TV show/movie a in health). It also pisses me off when I see displays of homophobia in school, one time we were talking about Romeo & Juliet and Shakespeare times in English, and about how there were no actresses and someone (whom I really hated prior to this, and now hate even more) blurted out "EW SO A GUY ACTUALLY HAD TO KISS ANOTHER GUY?? GROSSS." Then a bunch of other people started saying things that I would expect a 4th grader to say, and my friend Stephanie (whom I love dearly for this) said something about them being stupid and immature.
You could be walking down the street and anyone could be gay, but you (in most cases) wouldn't know it because they're just like everyone else. People who say that "all gays have AIDs" are ignorant, and the ones who think that all the gays are going to try to rape them are full of themselves, although that has happened, it's also happened with straights so it's hypocritical.
I guess that's it for my rant~

amyvega 04.24.2006 08:28 PM

i wish i was a lesbian

khchris(original) 04.24.2006 08:29 PM

I think it's the milk.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by amyvega
i wish i was a lesbian


me too


for the romeo thing, im for gay rights and everything, i just will not persue the acts myself in anyway. im secure with my sexuality but im not going to makeout with a guy for a play or anything.

noumenal 04.24.2006 08:35 PM

The ol' nature vs. nurture debate..... It's both. Debate over.

schizophrenicroom 04.24.2006 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham
upbringing, and influence. Im a fan of locke.
dont mean to get extreme here, but when it cam eto porn i used to hate when there was a dude in the shot [lose the feeling] now i prefer it. im not gay or anything, on a subconciuos level maybe because i can put myself in th eother guys place...

well thats a lot of info...


same here, except it's the other way (or the same way..). but pron is pron and that's a whole oher thread.

the last debate i was in over it, we came to the answer it was both.

i don't really care if someone's gay or not. i'm just for human rights in general.

Alex's Trip 04.24.2006 08:38 PM

I hate it when people rag on Brokeback Mountain just because it had gay people in it. It is stupid.

Alex's Trip 04.24.2006 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by noumenal
The ol' nature vs. nurture debate..... It's both. Debate over.

How can it be both? If it was genetic the other wouldn't matter. Therefor not both.

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Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:41 PM

yes, but thats why i dont want to see it. im not into watching homosexualy activites.

Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski 04.24.2006 08:42 PM

I heard that a male is much more likely to be gay if he has older brothers; quite interesting, eh?

You could argue, but

IT'S FUCKING SCIENCE, PEOPLE!!!!!

nomadicfollower 04.24.2006 08:43 PM

Why is this such a big topic?
Some people were arguing about it the other day. I chose to stay out of it. Besides the argument was going no where.
But for my opinion, I'd say upbringing.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski
I heard that a male is much more likely to be gay if he has older brothers; quite interesting, eh?

You could argue, but

IT'S FUCKING SCIENCE, PEOPLE!!!!!


im in luck, two younger sisters!

Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski 04.24.2006 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
How can it be both? If it was genetic the other wouldn't matter. Therefor not both.


Both could and do play a role, I would have to imagine. One doesn't cancel out the other... and people could be "a little gay". Like they just want a reach around on the weekends but go home to their wives.

Not that I'm into that...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.24.2006 08:48 PM

I think there are a lot of different factors that make someone gay. I don't think it is purely genetics or purely life experience. There are probably some life experiences that can affect some people's sexuality depending on their genetics. So, in other words- say there is a "gay" gene. It doesn't make you gay, but if you happen to have a parental figure who has a certain personality, or you have a certain sexual experience at a young age, you would start to develop gay tendencies.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.24.2006 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski
I heard that a male is much more likely to be gay if he has older brothers; quite interesting, eh?

You could argue, but

IT'S FUCKING SCIENCE, PEOPLE!!!!!


I don't know a single gay guy with an older brother.

noumenal 04.24.2006 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski
Both could and do play a role, I would have to imagine. One doesn't cancel out the other... and people could be "a little gay". Like they just want a reach around on the weekends but go home to their wives.

Not that I'm into that...


Yes, gayness is a continuum. The amount of people who engage in homosexual activities within a community/culture is proportional to how acceptable homosexual activities are within that community/culture. You had to be pretty gay to be gay in 50's America, but not very gay to be gay in ancient Greece. Know what I'm sayin'?

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.24.2006 08:50 PM

i will say this. Having gay parents will without a doubt increase your chances of being gay.

Anngella 04.24.2006 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
I think there are a lot of different factors that make someone gay. I don't think it is purely genetics or purely life experience. There are probably some life experiences that can affect some people's sexuality depending on their genetics. So, in other words- say there is a "gay" gene. It doesn't make you gay, but if you happen to have a parental figure who has a certain personality, or you have a certain sexual experience at a young age, you would start to develop gay tendencies.

I agree, it's probably a mix of things, but does it really matter? You can't change them, and when I hear about parents sending their children to counseling it annoys me ..you wouldn't try to convert a staight person to be gay, so why do the opposite? People are who they are, and others should just accept it.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.24.2006 08:54 PM

I don't know about that, there are so few gay parents out there that any statistics done wouldn't be highly accurate.

EyeballGrowth 04.24.2006 09:00 PM

were all a little gay

Anngella 04.24.2006 09:04 PM

I was watching this thing on MTV (one of the few good shows on there) and it was called "Real Life: I have gay parents." All of the sons/daughters on that show were **straight ..so I don't think it matters.

**EDIT

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.24.2006 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EyeballGrowth
were all a little gay

I think it comes from the human love of the ass.

"Arses are the human race's favourite thing. We like them on each other, we like them on magazine covers, we even like them on babies. When we're alone we like the scratch them, when there's a fire we like to warm them and who among us hasn't in a lonely moment reached back for a discreet fondle. We love our arses. When God gave us our arses we had to stick round the back just so we wouldn't sit and stare at the all day. Cause when God made the arse, he didn't just say 'hey it's just your basic hinge, let's knock off early' He said, "Behold ye angels I have created the arse, throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name."
Jeff from Coupling

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.24.2006 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
I was watching this thing on MTV (one of the few good shows on there) and it was called "Real Life: I have gay parents." All of the sons/daughters on that show were gay ..so I don't think it matters.


I don't know though, because I have known several people with gay parents that are straight.

Anngella 04.24.2006 09:06 PM

Shit, I meant straight~

HaydenAsche 04.24.2006 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
How can it be both? If it was genetic the other wouldn't matter. Therefor not both.


It just is. You may be predetermined to be gay but if you are brought up in a very anti-gay household you could probably hate gays so much you became un-gay.

I dunno. It just is.

LifeDistortion 04.24.2006 09:11 PM

So, why is there a double standard between gay males and gay females? I'm very supportive of gay people living the lifestyle they want. I think its all a civil rights matter, and as a hetrosexual who am I to say a gay man or a gay woman can't do the same things I as a hetrosexual can. Yet, back to my question. Straight women can have thier lesbian "experiance", and its very accepted and encouraged in some ways, yet you never hear about straight men having thier homosexual "experiance". Wonder if it happens just as much as those lesbian ones, and we just don't hear as much about it, do to that double standard.

golden child 04.24.2006 09:16 PM

brokeback mountain is gay.

Alex's Trip 04.24.2006 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
So, why is there a double standard between gay males and gay females? I'm very supportive of gay people living the lifestyle they want. I think its all a civil rights matter, and as a hetrosexual who am I to say a gay man or a gay woman can't do the same things I as a hetrosexual can. Yet, back to my question. Straight women can have thier lesbian "experiance", and its very accepted and encouraged in some ways, yet you never hear about straight men having thier homosexual "experiance". Wonder if it happens just as much as those lesbian ones, and we just don't hear as much about it, do to that double standard.

I think it doesn't happen as much as the Lesbian experience. But it does happen, however we don't hear about it.


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