Michael Moore Discussion Thread.
 

Voice of Reason? Voice of Treason? Flannel-shirted Egotist?

I like anyone who stirs shit up and gets my enemies upset at them. Michael Moore's TV Nation was the best television show around.

he was great in Team America.

Bowling For Columbine is great. Farenheit 9/11 sucked. I used to think he was really cool. He's ok
The film Martial's Law brings up a side of him I was unaware of (check it out on google video)

I give him credit, he attacks the right people. I think he's a good example that you can be entertaining as well as questioning in film and TV.

I'm a big fan, and a big critic of the guy. I find him to be entertaining and informative, but I find that he embellishes so much that his message gets diluted.

Used to think he was good, now think he's a lardy, egotistical tampon. Him and Henry Rollins should make a film together, called "We're So Right It Hurts".

That sounds about right.

i like him. farenheit 9/11 was not that good but tv nation was excellent. i liked the stats before the adverts where it gave info on things.

You tell them crypto, Reagan had the best economics for everybody in the country.

yeah because during the reagan era there sure wasnt any corruption or arms to other countries we later went to war with. gosh those reagan years sure where fun for everyone and the world was happy.

bill hicks put it well:

muhatma ghandi murdered, john lennon murdered, jesus murdered, martin luther king murdered, jfk murdered, marvin gaye murdered, reagan wounded.

how far does someones dick have to be up your ass before you realise that they are fucking you?

Yeah, they weren't that came with the Clinton Years. What a perv.

college kids.

I don't like Ronald Reagan at all, I was just being sarcastic. If you look at my first post you will get it.

sorry, sometimes your posts are so non sensical its difficult to tell whats what.

Ronald and Margaret were the fucking dream team.

im not going to get into it, because i know like 98% of you are liberals...

and well, im not.

cmon, of course you're a liberal, you're on welfare!

I don't care if you are a conservative person, I am not even 100% liberal.

Y'know, for all of Chris Rock's lunacy he made a pretty decent point in one of his HBO specials, in that it's bizarre a lot of people tend to assign themselves to a political party, THEN have their own policies dictated by that party's manifesto, rather than have their own opinions form a substantial basis for their political orientation.

In England there's a great deal of stigma associated with being a Conservative/Tory because of the Thatcherite legacy (one of the best economies in the world?!), so young people don't associate with the party even if their own beliefs fall more in line with the Tories than Labour. It's just not the "done thing" to be right-of-centre.

I think that's mirrored to an extent in the US of A from what I can gather.

I agree that's why sometimes I get annoyed with so many Liberals.

edit- I agree in spending some money on some social things, but there has to be a point where we say enough is enough.

no one likes the tories because they are all dicks.

I rest my case.

so anyone who dislikes them is not agreeing with their own internal discussion? is that what your saying i am just trying to be fashionable?

No, rather that that attitude is so prevalent that many people don't associate with the right-wing parties in the US and UK because of the connotations they have, not because they necessarily absolutely disagree with their policies.

I liked him until i found that the stats in Bowling in for Columbine were shit and also 911 was mediocre when it should have been great.
Roger and me and awesome though

i'd rather have michael moore with all his failings than love letters to idiot bush like 300!! racist tom clancy paranoias also annoy me much more than moore ever could.

check the "stats" for Fox News.
they do not even GIVE YOU stats to check.

burrrrrrrrrrrrrnn!!!

very well said. a most excellent post to remind us how the scales are actually tilted.

MM is totally out of his mind. He compares the headcutting, civilian-slaughtering terrorists in Iraq, the so-called insurgents, with the minutemen of the American Revolution. How fucked-up is that?

His movies, at least the ones I saw, like fahrenheit, are pure manipulative propaganda bullshit.

The real shame is that at a time when a voice of dissent has been most necessary, the best that has been made available is Michael Moore. He panders to a kind of sentimentalised pseudo-revolutionary thinking that seems to make no demands on those who follow it, other than to watch his films, vote Democrat and then sit back with a beer and watch all the world's problems dissolve around you.

What's intersting when reading so many posts by Americans on this thread is how people talk about being either liberal, or right wing. Don't you have a Left anymore?

you mean like communists? i don't think there's anyone left on this earth who honestly believes in the desirability of state-owned monopolies of the means of production and a state-regulated market.

the left: there's an american left but they are a fringe minority. anarchists, socialists, and so on. i'm not too happy with the foggy "liberal" term, but this seems to include a broad range of beliefs... including some "leftists".

these terms are so vague anyway, i think they are practically meaningless. since the collapse of the Big Left into a myriad issue-based groups, i'd rather stick to precise labels such as environmentalist trotskyite or stalinist feminazi, free-market st-simonian and what not.

I think he's a self-serving dirtbag. I saw him in an interview where he was forced to admit that he had the Abu Graib prisoner abuse footage long before the story went public. The reporter asked why he didn't go public with it right away, in an effort to end the abuse. You should have seen how he stumbled to come up with an excuse. He finally said he didn't think anyone would pay attention. Really? That never stopped him from making his movies, did it? The truth is that he wanted to save the footage for his movie. He's certainly no humanitarian.

fuck!!

izzit true? that sucks! well i would not be surprised. but everyone in politics is a self-serving motherfucker, not just him. anyway you got a source for that? i'd like to inquire... what a fucker. still, bush is 10000000000000 times more of a reckless ashhole than moore.

yeah he's done some manipulative things but those websites are shit, i checked the exposed one and was nothin but bile... looking for info on the abu ghraib footage though ... hmm.... (ps- actually that columbine one is more factual and not so rabid)

I think that pretty much sums up Amerika as well. except instead of Thatcher, we have G.W and Reagan....

neither side can be trusted though. I think that most "neo"-liberals today would shudder at the large government their party would create if left unchecked. I don't even have to mention republicans these days....I think we all get it.

personally, I'm a staunch libertarian. I fall middle of the road in pretty much everything, because I feel that there are few black and white decisions ever made.

I believe in fiscal conservatism through limited governmental powers, yet I'm pretty hardcore socially liberal. personal empowerment and equal grounds for all will always just be a pipe-dream for me....the other issues each party takes tend to always overshadow the good things for me.

I do not like The Man telling me or anyone else what to do, but I realize that if left without any supervision, a small portion of the population will become unruly enough to make life unbearable for all.

police, roads, schools, limited social support and even a national defense are all things that a government should provide. otherwise, get off my cloud.

^^^ You said it best how I feel.

he's a nazi.
nazis aren't just right winged.