The 'rockisms' of Dirty
 

I rarely post on this section, but isn't Dirty meant to be re-evaluated because of the way it rocks in a solid and to the point kind of way? I'll make it my mission to stand by Sonic Youth albums that get slagged off too much, when they are in reality great records. Another one is Experimental Jet Set. I must be so out of touch with most things to think this is one of their best albums, but why all the indie criticism that it gets?What do you want, really?

I never thought of dirty being slagged off too much. Maybe t does tend to be over looked at times, but it still gets a good amount of attention. Now I definately agree with Experimental Jet Set. I love this album. With their attempt at a blues song with Quest For The Cup, and the popularity of Sweet Shine with my 2 y/o stepdaughter, this album gets a lot of play around my way.

I think a lot of people aren't as open minded as they like to think and like to have strong opinions. It's easier to see the books upon the shelf than to see yourself.

And what about people who went on a rollercoaster with them? That's my thing.

Shut up you Scottish woman! hehehehe. I know what you mean, but i always had good times with them (if we're talking about dead people, please insert dead people here), it 's just that those records seem to take loads of criticism, that all.

No problem. I'm off soon.

My favourite era of Sonic Youth is the Bad Moon to Daydream Nation era, just because the music (to me anyway) is more emotionaly effecting. I still love Goo and Dirty. For me anyway Dirty is one of the greatest examples of the symbosis between Pop and the avant-garde. Dispite what people say it was a ground-breaking album.

Regardless the chit chat, that is very true.

haha! I'm sorry, I'm passionate about my subject matter, I sometimes get drunk off my own pretentiousness


very few people will stand up for that album...it does rock though \m/

I'm not a few people. That's enough for me, even if it implies having less sex than someone who implies that it it's a good album. I dunno.

dirty is terrible.

predictable and generic.

plain and simple.

Im not sure what you mean? I'm sure that all Sonic Youth records lead to Sex eventually

i think i had that problem when i first critiqued rather ripped:rolleyes:

i just wonder are people cringing more at the prospect of the next album, or thinking maybe they will go in a more experimental direction? Nefeli?

I was one of those who lost interest after Goo and found Dirty to be the final nail in the coffin.

Whilst I still don't like either of those albums I found what they did after that sometimes to be great. That said, they meant less to me after Daydream Nation.

It's the same with all things that change, there will always be some people who won't like it. It would be lame if they tried to appease these people and became publicly controlled. It's just the same as all those Green Day fans who didn't appreciate how their music matured and changed.

i said it once, i'll say it again; my favorite sonic youth albums are dirty, confusion is sex and syr4.

I agree on both counts that the two are undervalued because of certain "rock-isms" present.

But it is precisely the "rock-ism" of say, (just one example) the crunch from Drunken Butterfly coupled with those lyrics that do detract a bit from the album.
The album is still really strong though. It's their most successful outing, so, per the unspoken rock dictum it will always have its detractors among some longtime fans. Then again, I had an eighteen year-old young woman (likes The Beatles, Led Zep, Grateful Dead) tell me recently that she likes Sonic Youth, but that song that goes "I Love You/I Love You/What's Your Name" is annoyning. haha.

Experimental, Jet Set, Trash & No Star is also often unfairly sleighted. While the overall noise level is reined-in for the most part, the album has some of their most amazing arrangements of any of the songs in their entire catalogue. Kim has some of her all-time best vocals, Lee has some tasty guitar stuff on this album, Steve has an opportunity to show more range, and Thurston busts out on Androgynous Mind and Tokyo Eye, in particular.

cringing is like a shudder and an unwelcome feeling

it's really admirable that you are not one of the types who vents their anger and disappoint anytime SY comes up, unlike others, but honestly tastes do change in people, where SY where many people's favorite 5 years ago here, but has progressed as we learn about new really exciting bands like nnck or erase errata or les georges leningrad

i do think there is a burnout period when you listen to much of one thing where it becomes stale and you need to switch it up a bit, otherwise your favorites don't stay favorite

it's kinda hard not to be demanding of SY, they take KISS' motto "you want the best, we'll give you the best" and they more often then not deliver, assuming the new album is not gonna be on geffen, i think it will be very interesting what comes of it

Your music criticism is so American. Don't get me wrong , i like it.

how so? am curious about constructive opinions

Dirty is not that bad of a record... sure, its a major departure from BMR, but it has a fair amount of great cuts (wish fulfillment,chapel hill,etc.)... Ive yet to listen to Jet Set, so Im not making a statement on it. ^^

Been thinking for a while about this, but the circular and repetitive riff of The Sprawl proves to be really therapeutic for people with concentration problems. And effective.

Dirty was slagged due to backlash from the artsy types to the earthy rock of the grungerss...

Dirty rules though.

Experimental Jet Set Trash & No Star however, I find it unnecesary. I do not enjoy it. I have never enjoyed it.

he only sonic youth album I do not enjoy

Purr

I like very much.

Dirty used to be my least favourite, but upon listening to it the other day... fucking great album.The only flaw is the lyrics to Swimsuit Issue... and Creme Brulee is kind of mediocre... fits in better on EJSTANS, I'd say.

I read the perfect review of Rather Ripped last night on tiny mixtapes... it is kind of the same deal with EJSTANS, in my opinion. Coming after a succession of stellar albums (Goo + Dirty and then Murray Street + Nurse) it seems just alright. Both really good albums, but coming off of two really, really good albums, they tend to be overlooked and swatted off like flies.

I find creme brulee beautiful
and drunken buterfly rules. I love you I love YOu I love you what's yr name?

I always see Dirty and Goo as being a pair. Goo is the better album, but i like the production on Dirty, it has a sound that no other Sonic Youth album has. Thankfully im too young to give a damn about the old "sell out" debate, so ive always enjoyed Dirty on just this basis - Its a ROCK album, and it ROCKS!

You're never too young to give a damn about "sell out" debates.

Dirty could only have come out in 1992. The album and the year go hand in hand as far as I'm concerned. I loved the album when it came out and I still like it today in small doses but I could never embrace it unconditionally. I've never been angry about anything going on around me. Or even identifying and/or misdirecting the personal with the world around me. Actually, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so nevermind.

Woops, I didn't mean Drunken Butterfly! I meant Swimsuit Issue! The lyrics for the most part in that song are... shudder!