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jon boy 03.15.2007 05:03 AM

ambition
 
are you an ambitious person? i mean do you have a drive to succeed in a certain thing? have your ambitions changed from when you where younger?

sonicl 03.15.2007 05:06 AM

I can't claim to be ambitious, I've always just let life take me where it takes me. I know it would be good for me to have a life plan, something to aim to succeed at, but I just don't seem to be that type of person.

sarramkrop 03.15.2007 05:32 AM

Yes and no and certainly not in the way that i was when younger.I am ambitious but not in that sort of ''Let's make lot of money kinda way and i want to rule the world''.I have the ambition of wanting to create something good and be happy with it, that's enough for me.

demonrail666 03.15.2007 05:36 AM

I wear odd socks, only shave for weddings and funerals and still think The Ramones 'matter'. As such, no, I don't have any ambition - or dignity for that matter.

jon boy 03.15.2007 05:39 AM

i am not ambitious to make lots of money or climb some kind of social ladder/property market. with music i have drive and ambition in some regards but not in others. its strange i find my ambition comes and goes so much over a week.

sonicl 03.15.2007 05:54 AM

I think ambition to be successful by other people's values is a dangerous thing, it leads to vanity and a selfish attitude. Ambition to succeed according to ones own values is a good thing, as it helps to give a life a structure of sorts.

sarramkrop 03.15.2007 05:55 AM

Like this:
 

jon boy 03.15.2007 06:00 AM

if i am talking to someone and they seem to be really ambitious i tend to not want to talk to them anymore. i dont know i think maybe the people i have spoken to seemed only interested in self satisfaction and power tripping. a balance of ambtion and a concience are a difficult match it would seem.

pokkeherrie 03.15.2007 06:06 AM

i'm about the least ambitious person i know and it will probably stop me from ever achieving aything.

sarramkrop 03.15.2007 06:08 AM

It's when people seem only motivated by shallowness and money-making that it really puts me off them.I don't generally think that that it is a good and fullfilling way to spend your life but if someone does, good luck to them.

sonicl 03.15.2007 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pokkeherrie
i'm about the least ambitious person i know and it will probably stop me from ever achieving aything.

I don't know whether to give you positive rep for matching my own thoughts about myself or negative for the same reason.

jon boy 03.15.2007 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nefeli
am telling you its marked on their faces. tom cruise has those ambitious eyes!

and oh yeah jon, those are who start all the what do you do questions.


yes death to that question and 'what sort of music do you like/do'?

i find some totaly shallow, money grabbing socialites kind of fascinating but from a very great distance.

demonrail666 03.15.2007 06:13 AM

There's two kinds of ambition.

1. The I-will-succeed-regardless-of-what-at-and-how type. Stand up Gwen Steffani

2. The I'm-committed-to-what-I-do-and-intend-for-it-to-be-successful type.
Stand up any well adjusted person.

pokkeherrie 03.15.2007 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicl
I don't know whether to give you positive rep for matching my own thoughts about myself or negative for your lack of drive.


i wish i could say i'd care, but naturally i don't have any reputation point ambitions either.

sonicl 03.15.2007 06:17 AM

There's probably a fine line to be trod, though, between being happy with your achievements and wanting others to share in them, and being self-satisfied and lording it over others because you've achieved more than them.

jon boy 03.15.2007 06:23 AM

i often wonder what sort of life someone like that has/had and if they are really truly satisfied with anything or if there is always something else to achieve?

sarramkrop 03.15.2007 06:24 AM

Any seriously sane person who has a crumb of positive ambition in them would know that one of the best things of achieving something is to also share it with others.It's a bit with being competitive:there are ways to be positively competitive without being an egomaniac with the only intention of sitting themselves on a throne while looking down on people.That involves a certain amount of serious mental problems to do.

_slavo_ 03.15.2007 06:26 AM

The older I am, the less ambitious I get...I mean,I am still only three years after having gotten my master's and know still shit about life, but I guess I've got to the point where I realize there are more important things in life like being "successful" and "up-the-ladder" in your career. Such as, being content and not let your career drive you nuts. Enjoy life. Slow down. Love somebody. That is my ambition. I hope I'll succeed in this one day.

jon boy 03.15.2007 06:26 AM


 


my new look. blood pressure monitor and everything.

jon boy 03.15.2007 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nefeli
i think that happens when you get older and make peace with death approaching.


yep, slavo agree. but also because my work doesnt fullfill me. i use it for getting the paycheck and be able to live.


isnt that like living a life of sin and then recanting on your death bed?

sonicl 03.15.2007 06:58 AM

I think truely ambitious people will never be satisfied with their achievements. Once they've achieved one ambition they will move onto a new one - to no longer be striving for something would be like death for them.

jon boy 03.15.2007 07:07 AM

what i dont like is when people havnt been succesfull and try to live their ambitions out through their children.

sonicl 03.15.2007 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jon boy
what i dont like is when people havnt been succesfull and try to live their ambitions out through their children.

Equally damaging is when people have been successful and their children feel pressure to match that success.

jon boy 03.15.2007 07:20 AM

nefeli please continue.

its true that to each person thier level of ambition will be different as we are all motivated and have experienced things differently.

i think though that we are all collectively in revultion of yuppies and power mad money grabbers. even they dont like those people.

Savage Clone 03.15.2007 08:50 AM

I have aspirations more than ambition.

I'm not the type to climb the social/career ladder either, but in music I would say I am very driven to create something respectable. I do think my own satisfaction and the respect of my peers is a higher priority in my mind than gaining a huge audience though, and in any case I wouldn't want to be really "famous" with all that entails in today's climate.

I don't know how ambitious I could consider myself when a solid and decently-sustainable "cult status" is all that I'm aspiring to.

gmku 03.15.2007 08:52 AM

I'd vote but, you know, I don't see the point...

sonicl 03.15.2007 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
II wouldn't want to be really "famous" with all that entails in today's climate.

Oh, go on, become famous. We can sell your embarresing pictures to the tabloid papers.

!@#$%! 03.15.2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
There's two kinds of ambition.

1. The I-will-succeed-regardless-of-what-at-and-how type. Stand up Gwen Steffani

2. The I'm-committed-to-what-I-do-and-intend-for-it-to-be-successful type.
Stand up any well adjusted person.


thanks for saving me the explanation; i'm not sure i'm "well adjusted" but NUMERO DOS (2) applies here.

Savage Clone 03.15.2007 08:59 AM

Oh yeah, with the music I make, gigantic fame is totally in the cards.







*cough*

!@#$%! 03.15.2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I don't know how ambitious I could consider myself when a solid and decently-sustainable "cult status" is all that I'm aspiring to.


you wanna be the next sun myung moon, dontcha?

sonicl 03.15.2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Oh yeah, with the music I make, gigantic fame is totally in the cards.

Well change the music you make then, dummy! You make a small sacrifice, I make money.

jon boy 03.15.2007 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Oh yeah, with the music I make, gigantic fame is totally in the cards.







*cough*


have you got your best compliment fishing outfit on?

Savage Clone 03.15.2007 09:03 AM

That was meant to be a realistic assessment, but whatever.

sarramkrop 03.15.2007 09:04 AM

One doesn't have to sell millions of records and be on the tabloids all the time to live comfortably off their music and get some respect without whoring themselves unnecessarily.

sonicl 03.15.2007 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
That was meant to be a realistic assessment, but whatever.

Are your feelings hurt? I'm sorry :(

pokkeherrie 03.15.2007 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
thanks for saving me the explanation; i'm not sure i'm "well adjusted" but NUMERO DOS (2) applies here.



personally i don't think being-committed-to-what-you-do-and-wanting-it-to-be-succesful requires ambition but that's just my definition perhaps.

!@#$%! 03.15.2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
It's when people seem only motivated by shallowness and money-making that it really puts me off them.I don't generally think that that it is a good and fullfilling way to spend your life but if someone does, good luck to them.


and porks, being that i am self-employed, and i do it for the money. i HAVE to be ambitious in this regard because if i'm not somebody else will have my job/contracts/lunch money.

now, i'm not obsessed with this; i have other aspirations, like writing certain things i shall not discuss here; but right now i am very concerned with my survival, and with achieving a little financial security for me and madame !@#$%! (who also works her ass of, and is a filmmaker). oh yes-- real poverty (i have tasted it) is fucking horrid, horrid.

Savage Clone 03.15.2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
One doesn't have to sell millions of records and be on the tabloids all the time to live comfortably off their music and i get some respect without whoring themselves unnecessarily.



That's what I was trying to say, but you have put it better.
By "sustainable cult status" I was basically talking about being able to have a modest but OK living via music with no day job.
That's about as ambitious as I get, but I guess it is an ambition.

screamingskull 03.15.2007 09:12 AM

i guess i am ambitious, i have goals, or dreams. I'd love to have my photographic work published in my own book, this is what keeps me going to college day in day out. I don't really mind if i am very rich or not, as long as i have good family and friends i don't care.

krastian 03.15.2007 11:35 PM

I used to be ambitious as hell, but now my soul is dead.


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