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Satan 08.26.2009 02:39 AM

why the hell do you care so much about chiropracting? my dad's a math guy and i'm not running around whining like a twat about math and finances. i could give a shit less.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
where would we be without vaccines? all of you would have fuckin been crippled by polio or died from smallpox.



see my username.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
they would be happily treated by anything that would help cure them. i think they would.


Do you even understand the condition and problems which one might face when attempting to treat someone who DOES NOT WANT to participate?

The links you've posted are still chiro links. Post me one from a reletive of someone with autism please. Or a reletive or person with any of the other conditions I've posted you've failed to look at. YOU'RE the one who claimed it could fix basically anything, when what you really meant to say was, it can fix a couple of things that a lot of other techniques can also fix.

Or don't, just keep ratting on that you think what I'm saying is irrelevant because it isn't what yr parents did.

Satan 08.26.2009 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
see my username.

see my ass? kiss it.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Still, the vaccines causes autism bullshit still pisses me off.




people write a lot of junk for the sake of it sometimes.

pbradley 08.26.2009 02:42 AM

Everybody is so tense up in here. I think we all could use some back massages and/or spine cracking.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
where would we be without vaccines? all of you would have fuckin been crippled by polio or died from smallpox.



dave is only not sick with any of the diseases that modern countries vaccinate against because everyone else already got the vaccine and it therefore does not have anywhere to flourish, not because he has been treated by a chiropractor. I'd like to see him go and trade blood with anyone with a virus still existing in a third world country and watch how quickly he doesn't get sick.

Satan 08.26.2009 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Everybody is so tense up in here. I think we all could use some back massages and/or spine cracking.

i wish i could rep you for that one too

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
why the hell do you care so much about chiropracting? my dad's a math guy and i'm not running around whining like a twat about math and finances. i could give a shit less.



this issue has really hit home for me because all my life I've heard about this bias against chiro and i've never seen it like this before.

i don't care about it unless what's being said about it is flat wrong. which 90% of whats been posted in here is. I'd do the same thing with animal collective, but even that has some "taste" issues involved being as its art.

so many doctors are 'quacks" and this is true of medical and chiro or anything else. you, Satan, are the only one who has seen an activator chiro and it didn't work... i don't know this Lim guy, but maybe you could try somewhere else.

also, a big part of chiro is about immune system, and working with the body's natural defenses to fight disease. i know you smoke, and you probably keep terrible sleeping cycles and do other things to tear your immune system down, so i'm not entirely surprised it didn't work for you.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:46 AM

chiro can probably cure the AIDS.

pbradley 08.26.2009 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
people write a lot of junk for the sake of it sometimes.

Yeah, but it all has ramifications, not just in that some kids might die of the flu or something else easily preventable but that it all shores up political boundaries that spell doom in the theory side of things.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
dave is only not sick with any of the diseases that modern countries vaccinate against because everyone else already got the vaccine and it therefore does not have anywhere to flourish, not because he has been treated by a chiropractor. I'd like to see him go and trade blood with anyone with a virus still existing in a third world country and watch how quickly he doesn't get sick.



i've been to costa rica, bitch. i worked at an orphanage and in the jungle with indigenous indians. i received no vaccinations. i'm fucking fine. you guys don't know shit.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
also, a big part of chiro is about immune system, and working with the body's natural defenses to fight disease. i know you smoke, and you probably keep terrible sleeping cycles and do other things to tear your immune system down, so i'm not entirely surprised it didn't work for you.



I know a lot of chiro is based on immune and nervous system. MS is a disorder of the nervous system and also involves the immune system. Thats why I posted about MS before. I'm yet to see you post anything of worth relating to it.

Satan 08.26.2009 02:51 AM

for the sake of the father the son and the goddamn motherfucking holy ghost. i am NOT GOING BACK TO THE CHIROPRACTOR. SHOVE YOUR ACTIVATOR UP YOUR ASS.

it's getting about time for me to pop a few of them magic pills and smoke a big fat one though. heres to you.
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Originally Posted by phoenix
chiro can probably cure the AIDS.

http://sonicyouth.com/gossip/showpos...&postcount=811

great minds think alike.



btw re the immune system did you not see me say earlier that i NEVER get sick?

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
The links you've posted are still chiro links. Post me one from a reletive of someone with autism please. Or a reletive or person with any of the other conditions I've posted you've failed to look at.


http://parentguidenews.com/Catalog/view_66


here you are my queen

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
i've been to costa rica, bitch. i worked at an orphanage and in the jungle with indigenous indians. i received no vaccinations. i'm fucking fine. you guys don't know shit.



 



why don't you try it with a bullet in all of them, and go get yrself a blood transfusion from someone who is + and find out.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan



haha

pbradley 08.26.2009 02:55 AM

Okay, I'm flipping to dave's side for the fun of it.


Armchair scientists always spend more time defending scientists from illusionary threats than to consider that science itself is imperfect and is still attempting to explain a lot of phenomena that stands as anomaly.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:55 AM

read the last paragraph of this one. http://health.gmnews.com/news/2008/1105/health/005.html

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
I know a lot of chiro is based on immune and nervous system. MS is a disorder of the nervous system and also involves the immune system. Thats why I posted about MS before. I'm yet to see you post anything of worth relating to it.



then go back and look, because i did.

Satan 08.26.2009 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
read the last paragraph of this one. http://health.gmnews.com/news/2008/1105/health/005.html


no.


 

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
 



why don't you try it with a bullet in all of them, and go get yrself a blood transfusion from someone who is + and find out.



yes, why don't i stand in the middle of the road and see if i don't get hit with a car.

pbradley 08.26.2009 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
 



why don't you try it with a bullet in all of them, and go get yrself a blood transfusion from someone who is + and find out.

Shoot indigenous indians?

FOR SHAME

davenotdead 08.26.2009 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
chiro can probably cure the AIDS.



brilliant. i hope you received so much rep for this. seriously i do.

phoenix 08.26.2009 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead



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The goal is to create new connections in the under-functioning hemisphere that then creates a balance in the brain. In James’s case, the types of stimulation employed include spinning, doing coordination exercises, balancing, using cognitive exercises such as jigsaw puzzles and mazes, making sound stimulation, using a tuning fork and using visual stimulation.

This type of treatment sounds more like modern alternate neurological therapies than classic chiro

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Chiropractic neurology (CN) is brain-based chiropractic care.
•CN is an advanced branch of chiropractic care that requires more than 300 hours of postgraduate neurological course work and a minimum grade of 80 percent on the board examination to achieve the status of Diplomate in the American Chiropractic Board of Neurology (DACBN).
•CN incorporates similar training to medical neurology but differs in application, treatment and therapies, using noninvasive, nonsurgical and non-pharmacological approaches to conditions.



oh wait, look, it is. They've taken modern neurological and autism research and common holistic techniques and renamed it 'neurological chiro'. There you go.

pbradley 08.26.2009 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
yes, why don't i stand in the middle of the road and see if i don't get hit with a car.

Shit would bounce off your spine like an aluminum can, dawg.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
no.


 



you know, your arguments are so well-done now, that i should probably just call it a night.



you guys have fun with all of your prescriptions, and all of the side effects.


i'm just especially tickled by phoenix, because she's vegan, right? isn't she all "let's protect the earth and do things naturally, and if our kids can't pronounce words properly, well Ritalin will surely do the trick".

you guys are fuckwads, goodnight.

phoenix 08.26.2009 03:02 AM

I'm not ignoring you now, it's my dinner time.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
This type of treatment sounds more like modern alternate neurological therapies than classic chiro

oh wait, look, it is. They've taken modern neurological and autism research and common holistic techniques and renamed it 'neurological chiro'. There you go.



and what's your point? there are many branches of chiro, yes.

as i've said many times, i am familiar with/can vouch for Activator... which is why i was unsure if MS and autism could be treated.

apparently now it can.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Shit would bounce off your spinal like an aluminum can, dawg.


i know dawg, i know

Satan 08.26.2009 03:05 AM

^ i thought you said GOODNIGHT. tool.

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Originally Posted by davenotdead



you guys have fun with all of your prescriptions, and all of the side effects.



the only side effect from MY meds is me being high as fuck and loving it.

davenotdead 08.26.2009 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
the only side effect from MY meds is me being high as fuck and loving it.



well then i'm happy for you.

i realized i can't sleep right now, still too hot. trying to cool down. it helps that phoenix is eating dinner.

phoenix 08.26.2009 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
phoenix, because she's vegan, right? isn't she all "let's protect the earth and do things naturally, and if our kids can't pronounce words properly, well Ritalin will surely do the trick".



what?

phoenix 08.26.2009 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
it helps that phoenix is eating dinner.



I completely disagree with you over all of this but I really don't have much more energy or want to keep posting back and forth over it because it's really fruitless. *I* know what I've seen be beneficial and not so, there you go. Probably the same for you to a certain extent.

I'm going out now. sweet dreams :)

Satan 08.26.2009 03:53 AM

fruitless?


fruitcake more like.

phoenix 08.26.2009 03:55 AM

fruitcake is tasty.

atsonicpark 08.26.2009 04:01 AM

this thread is depressing.

...But because this thread is depressing, my life doesn't have to be!

pbradley 08.26.2009 04:17 AM

I think this thread proves its own thesis.

Satan 08.26.2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
I think this thread proves its own thesis.

this is the truest thing anyone has said in this thread or on this board ever.

notyourfiend 08.26.2009 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
Treatment

When the cause of sciatic is due to a prolapsed or lumbar disc herniation 90% of disc prolapses will resolve with no specific intervention. Treatment of the underlying cause of the compression is needed in cases of epidural abscess, epidural tumors, and cauda equina syndrome.
Many cases of sciatica are treated with different modalities. Evidence of effectiveness for these measures are however limited.[8] Some of these measures include:
Anti-inflammatory medications (e.g. NSAIDs or oral steroids though NSAIDs are no more effective than a placebo for acute sciatica. [9]
Acetaminophen: limited evidence
Narcotics: often used if severe pain
Physical therapy / Stretching exercises: no evidence of improving pain or function
Epidural steroid injects: no long term improvements in outcomes but some short term benefits
Non-surgical spinal decompression
Massage Therapy: little support
Chiropractic: no benefit has been found over concerative treatment



My gf has pretty severe sciatica and can't afford to go to a doctor. It's pretty fucking terrible. She was a competitive martial artist for 12 years (second degree black belt, former world rankings in her division) and if anybody knows about stretching/non-western medicine it's her. She could fucking teach a course on that stuff. She saw a physical therapist a couple of times while she was still on a college insurance plan and it was totally ineffective. Stretching just has not cut it. Since she can't afford painkillers, she pretty much can't do any physical activity which is extremely depressing for her, being as only a few years ago she more fit than any of us.


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