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I checked out SremmLife 2 yesterday. It's got some promise. I like it.
I never really got that into the first album. I think this one's a bit more my speed. |
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I didn't like the first album, so hadn't had an interest to check this one out.
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Read the pitchfork review. I don't often recommend their shit, but I think this one is pretty on point. SremmLife2 is a bit darker and more out there than their first, which was just a little bit too straight for me. Admittedly I haven't spent much time with "2" yet, but that's my opinion so far. They seem to be leaning toward something slightly more abstract but also harder. In essence they're doing the opposite of what that other duo, my once beloved Underachievers, did after blowing up. Underachievers fucking suck now. |
If I may, has anyone ever noticed how ducking weird Kabue sounds at the beginning of "So Appalled?"
It sounds like a completely different person. I actually took me a few months before I realized Kanye was even ON the track. I thought it was just a curative effort, but it's actually one of his best verses. And it sounds nothing like him. Weird, no? |
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Well, like all publications that attempt to score and rank releases as they come out, they run into the problem of one person writing review A, and another writing review B, which references review A. In the review of Coloring Book they said Life of Pablo was not actually the "gospel album with lots of cursing" that it was supposed to be, and called it a rap album with gospel moments, claiming Coloring Book was the real gospel deal. In the actual Pablo review I'm pretty sure they said the description was spot on, and also that it was musically chaotic with no standard "rap" singles. :confused: Each review should just be taken as some dude/chick's opinion, not the overall opinion of the site. I remember in 2002 when Beck's Sea Change came out, it initially got a 6.9 and a pretty poor review, compared to his previous albums. Yet somehow it ended up in the top 50 albums of the year list, and Ugly Cassanova's Sharpen Your Teeth didn't, even though it got a 7.5 or something. None of it makes any goddamn sense, but I'm not sure how it might be done differently. |
I think this is a ok place to post this: Lady Shame - Looky Here
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see that is your problem right there. i haven't read anything from pitchfork in years because it was always so terribly corporate whenever i checked it out. to be sure its on my Twitter feed so i see what they post, i just don't ever have any interest to click the links |
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funny i always feel the same way about Kanye, that is actual popularity and influence is less than his media footprint |
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I click the reviews when it's an album I am interested in. Definitely don't read everything. Often I just click a link and glance at the score and gtfo. It's just a really deeply ingrained habit at this point. |
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i miss Grantland sooooooooo much |
I feel like I check pfork daily to just see if something came out that I missed.
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Nope. I know you're not nuts about Kanye West, but dude.. I honestly can't think of a single rapper since Ye came out who hasn't been influenced by him. And I can't see the "influence" of Drake in any post-Drake. None that I can think of anyway. I just see the OVO stamp on a series of disappointing cosigns. *Shrug* |
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This. But lately they've been behind the eight ball. I can't remember the last time I learned about the existence of an album, much less learned about a new artist, because of pitchfork. |
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I know you are a Kanye superfanatico BUT what we are talking about is not quantifiable in any way. Yeah I am biased in not being a fan of the guy, but remember I am not a hater, I investigate things before I make hot take statements and I legitimately mean what I said even I was being snarky. Sure five or six years, ten years ago even I would have totally agreed with you. when i listen to rap on the radio to me it doesn't sound like Kanye's more recent albums. I'm not being a hater, just being honest |
So Frank Ocean just debuted new music in a video which is available to stream via Apple Music?? And he's reported to drop an album this weekend. Hmm..
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Mac Miller – The Divine Feminine tracklist:
1. Congratulations (feat. Bilal) 2. Dang! (feat. Anderson .Paak) 3. Stay 4. Skin 5. Cinderella (feat. Ty Dolla Sign) 6. Planet God Damn (feat. Njomza) 7. Soulmate 8. We (feat. CeeLo Green) 9. My Favorite Part (feat. Ariana Grande) 10. God Is Fair, Sexy, Nasty (feat. Kendrick Lamar) Looks really good. Probably gonna be his best release to date. |
Cool. I like Mac.
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Whoah there, Brohammed. Remember who you're talking to here. I may be a hopelessly devoted Kanye fanatic, but nothing, not even the man himself, is more important to me than clearly defined quantitative measurement techniques and solid statistical reporting. The comment I made was not meant to be a quantifiable one. Let me be clear: it was 100% subjective, and limited even beyond that by my own fundamentally imperfect memory and recall ability. That's why I said that I can think of." So fear not. There was no presumption of stating a fact. I was just telling you what came to my mind in the moment. I genuinely tried to think of some artists that had no overt links to Kanye somewhere in their delivery or style, and while I'm sure there are actually many — YG, for example, must have been in a coma between 2004 and 2014), I was hard pressed to name a name on the fly. Even YG, whose style and approach is the polar opposite of Kanye's took a page from the book of Kendrick, who was at least informed by the 'Ye age.. still, no similarities between them that I can find — and I REALLY tried to think of a rapper that can be said to be a direct sonic descendent of Drake... For that one, I've still got nothing. Anyway, brother, it was just an off the cuff, chin rubbing moment for me. Let it be known that I was definitely not suggesting that my ruminations were backed by hard data. ;) |
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Yeah, what's going on? I thought... y'know... Boys Don't Cry? What a great (if unoriginal) name for a Frank Ocean album. This is why I'm making an effort to embrace Apple Music, and why I decided to drop Spotify for the time being. I am gonna bounce this on my lunch break, whatever the fuck it is. |
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Hang on. I don't want to start a thing, but didn't you and I actually get into a rather lengthy debate about whether or not musical influence or innovation or some such thing could be quantified? Didn't you argue that it could indeed be done? I don't remember the specifics of the conversation, and looking back I actually think that within a certain sample size, trends could be identified and matched up with first recorded instances of certain musical styles in a way that might hold up to some statistic scrutiny it done properly and over a long period of time. But I'm just seeking clarification here. |
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That conversation was about guitar music, where we can identify chord structure, scales, and patterns. for hip hop its a bit different. sure we can identify some of the musical structures of it but in hip hop, at least myself, i don't hear as obvious of patterns of structural influence. in other words i haven't heard music on the radio use the same kinds of drum sequences, bass lines, or melody patterns from Kanye music. most of the rap i hear today still sounds more like Dirty South and trap influenced stuff. i do give credit to Kanye, his music does sound original compared to all the radio rap, but i haven't heard radio rap that to me sounds like kanye. think how bush sounded like Nirvana |
after Kanye made the album 808s And Heartbreak, out came Drake, The Weeknd, and a lot of other dudes on the radio that sound a lot like the album 808s And Heartbreak.
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however i will add the caveat that this might be a chicken and egg question, how much of this is influenced by Kanye vs how much is Kanye influenced by music that uses these elements because Kanye didn't invent originate the 808/trap sound, it goes back to 1985 |
Drake, Weeknd, etc are still on the radio today.
808s And Heartbreak sounds nothing like "808/trap" music. |
Even some cuts on Frank Ocean's "Nostalgia, Ultra" mixtape sound like they were heavily influenced by 808s & Heartbreak to me.
"There Will Be Tears", "Novacane", "Lovecrimes".. |
Just think of all the rappers who attempt to sing on their tracks nowadays, despite not being vocally trained: Drake, J. Cole, Future, Chance the Rapper, Kevin Gates, Fetty Wap, Young Thug, Freddie Gibbs, Tory Lanez.. Snoop's previous album was all singing.. and the list goes on and on.
Most of these dudes are on the radio as well. Kanye (and perhaps Wayne) made it trendy and acceptable. |
Kanye and Wayne are the most influential rappers for the new generation.
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i understand the distinction you were making, i didn't mean to imply that Kanye is trap music, i was saying my nusician's ear hears elements and structures of early Kanye music in later trap music. indeed i am in this regard agreeing that Kanye had influenced radio rap, BUT my caveat is that i feel older Kanye music is the influence not newer.
now while im not a fan of his music means i am not an expert on the production and instrumentation, it also means that i am a neutral observer, my observations are strictly based on "what is on the tape" remember our brain's process music based on our experience, what we "want" to hear, this is why its important to have producers in the studio because (and i speak as a musician with some recording experience) when we sit down with our monitors frequently we don't hear ehat is strictly on the tape but what our inner muse wants to hear. this is the same for music we listen to as fans. so again, as a more neutral observer k "hear" early Kanye in trap music whether y'all agree with me or not. i won't be forceful about a casual opinion that i have zero investment in, I'm just posting for the clarification Severian asked for |
also i hate to break it to you but kanye didn't pioneer "singing" in rap, that style of singing is fundamental to west coast hip hop since its earliest days. east coast cadence was to rap at a talking pace, west coast cadence has always been to have a bit of lyrical song in the rap delivery, some of that old Soul music influence. indeed its what made west coast rap so appealing in early 90s when it hit the mainstream, its why at parties here we DANCE (correction, boogie) to our rap meanwhile back east folks just lean back
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Such, do you do the backyard... 'boogie'?!?
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though if by backyard boogie you mean "nasty homegrown weed" no i haven't smoked that shit in over 15 yesrs
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There's my boy! My louder! Fucking a right motherfucker! Not to mention Travi$ Scott, Desiigner, or any of the other disciples out there. I think musically speaking 808's is Kanye's most influential work. It's impact hasn't gone away since the world woke up and realized the album was killer. Some artists have successfully recreated or expanded upon the early Kanye sound, like Chance, and many have tried to pull a MBDTF out of their ass, like Wale, but pretty much EVERYONE has taken something from 808's. |
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SHPSHZS! Whoah. What.:eek: |
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hey Such, are you aware Jimmy Page invented the c-walk? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeDdp6q-AkQ&t=7m44s |
New Frank Ocean music video, "Nikes": https://t.co/XTx0eF7vBD
..this was pretty epic. Sounds like some kind of an interlude though. Just left me wanting more.. much more. The low pitched voice was also pretty annoying. It's cool in small doses and served its purpose on the song, but I kept waiting for him to use his normal voice. |
 Best part on the song. |
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