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pbradley 08.23.2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Yeah, that's a possibility but I really don't think it's a decision made by the interviewee so much as a general convention used by the media - who aren't generally known for protecting the honor of those they come into contact with.

I think it is a convention that originated in threats of lawsuits from said families.

floatingslowly 08.23.2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
honestly I found this thread a bit boring..




 


I like the Ice Cube mix the best!
 

davenotdead 08.23.2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
having money takin' out of my check, against my will, to be put towards services i personally do not approve of, is not cool.

family should take care of family. friends should take care of friends. i dont have time to sit around waiting on something that MIGHT happen. word



this is why you don't vote for black people. or whoever MTV or !@#$%! tells you too.

infinitemusic 08.23.2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
why don't you try READING THE LINK http://www.reason.com/news/show/36327.html


Dude, don't even argue with him. The guy spends his time trying to be an asshole, not having actual discussions.

infinitemusic 08.23.2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
reference to f-minus lyrics, dude.

and, im not embarassed? did i say i was? i must have been lying.

seriously though, i dont have a "side".


Wow, you're so special!

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i still believe thats the case, simply because i believe that if someone doesnt want to be homeless they can get out of it.

just as i also believe most homeless people have put themselves on that boat.

just as i know i hate not all, but most homeless people i come across. i hate when they get mad because i wont give them money or cigs. like i owe it to 'em or some shit. haha...fuck that.

This is all stupid. I'm not even going to bother saying why because you don't care and won't understand. But you're wrong.

Satan 08.23.2009 11:26 PM

13 pages? really?

hey everyone,
go get laid

!@#$%! 08.24.2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
i wish there really was a government conspiracy to kill people with health care, and it was kinda like santa claus, in that you have to believe in it for it to happen, so all these fucking teabaggers and town hall tards would get killed by liberal death panels.


i don't have time for this longass thread or to go into the topic, but yeah, there are asswads out there that will try anything to kill health care reform.

however, fear not-- we're killing THEM & moving on with history.

patience, is all.

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Originally Posted by Satan
13 pages? really?

hey everyone,
go get laid



already happened, but still, a little passion for important issues is a sign of vitality.

apathy on the other hand is a sign of a weak sex drive

oh yea. FACT.

Satan 08.24.2009 11:59 AM

^ i care about the issues, i just don't care about arguing about the issues.

demonrail666 08.24.2009 12:37 PM

i just have issues

Satan 08.24.2009 12:55 PM

we all do

nice avatar chump

Rob Instigator 08.24.2009 01:25 PM

Hakuna Matata

Savage Clone 08.24.2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Hakuna Matata


I loathe you.

floatingslowly 08.24.2009 01:30 PM

a'goonie-goo'goo.

static-harmony 08.24.2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Satan
13 pages? really?

hey everyone,
go get laid


That's what I was going to say.

Rob Instigator 08.24.2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I loathe you.


Hakuna Matata
 

infinitemusic 08.24.2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
if someone is homeless simply because they lost their job, got evicted, cant find work/a place to stay....of course, i feel sorry for them. i dont feel sorry for jim the alcoholic that needs just another 89 cents of MY hard earned money to buy a beer. of course, OCCASIONALLY ill give it to him (if only because if i was homeless id prefer being drunk off my ass, im sure)...but to think i owe him something just because hes on the streets...BULLSHIT!

should some one feel it their moral duty to assist me because im an asshole? no, im a fucking adult.


Who the fuck said anything about that? There's a difference between government assistance and charitable foundations and giving some crackhead crack money so they can buy more crack.

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and despite anything...YES, there are homeless people that did not ask to be in the boat they are in...but lets not forget the MANY that got kicked out of their house because they were a drunk and their wife couldnt take it anymore. ever dealt with a REAL alcoholic? ITS NOT FUN! of course, some of that have legitamate issues making it exceptionally difficult to quit their habit, however, if yr old enough to know better yr old enough to make yr own bed.

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so fucking stupid.

I couldn't have said it better myself. It might be easy to leave alcoholics and drug addicts to die on the streets because they can't get ahold of their addiction, but the fact is, their existence negatively affects everyone. Not to mention the fact that since Reagan's gutting of funded mental institutions, most people living on the street are mentally ill, not drug addicted alkies, not at least until they get a drug problem due to having to LIVE ON THE FUCKING STREET.

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TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YR OWN FUCKING ACTIONS! its no one elses responsibility to take care of you, not if yr old enough to know better. i work my ass of, and it PISSES ME OFF that a portion of my hard earned money goes towards assisting people who, ultimately, have fucked themselves over.

ya want to form a habit? ya cant control yrself? do ya know better? if "yes", go for it....just be prepared to deal with yr shit yr own fucking self.
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Originally Posted by swa(y)
Wah wah wah wah wah

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
but, i should think its ok that some ABLE BODIED woman w/ six kids is living in the projects, has a freezer stuffed w/ steaks, and is driving a cadi? not OK. its not ok. its really not....


This doesn't happen. The proverbial welfare queen was made up by Reagan to fool reactionary shitheads like you into bitching about helping the poor.

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people take advantage of systems designed to help them...and they know they do. i see this shit all the fucking time. programs give them money, as long as they are looking for a job...but what these idiots do, they come in, ask to fill out an application, write NOTHING ON IT BUT THEIR FUCKING NAME AND ADDRESS!!! they KNOW they will not get hired. then they tell whatever program that they are looking, and they filled out an application for such and such place....the program calls, and all we can legally tell them is "yes, they put in an application" mother fuckers dont want to work. they brag about it.

Wawahwah. Yes this happens, but so fucking what? People on all sides of the equation try to get more than they deserve. That doesn't mean you don't help real people who need real help. Should there be more oversight? I'd have to say yes, but this isn't an either or thing.

davenotdead 08.24.2009 04:18 PM

hahaha Rob

pbradley 08.24.2009 05:06 PM

 

pbradley 08.24.2009 10:28 PM

CAPS LOCK MAKES MY SENTENCES TRUE

pbradley 08.24.2009 10:35 PM

BUT I LOVE AMERICA

floatingslowly 08.24.2009 10:43 PM

I'M GOING TO PUT A RAT IN YR PUSSY.

infinitemusic 08.25.2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
1) sometimes, yes. but as i already have made clear it is a PROVEN fact that far too many people are taking advantage of charitable foundations. its an issue something needs to be fixed. far too many people, hard working people, are PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE LAZY. there is no way around it.


2) glad ya agreed.

3)"its better to provoke a reaction, than to react to a provocation".

4) there should be MUCH more oversight. i know ill get shit for this, but i think if welfare was limited to OLD/disabled people + single women (and men) raising several children on a minimal income...and the latter for a LIMITED TIME ONLY (im a firm believer that if youve had TOO MANY kids, knowing ya cant support them on yr own...you deserve to have none) that we'd see alot more people learning really fast how to fend for themselves. its not my fault too many women dont know how to tell their partners to strap on a rubber, and that too many men dont know how to pull out. i understand shit happens...but when it happens 3-4-5-6-7-8 + times, its a serius issue. the more children they have, the more money they get.

its quite fucked up...


You're quite fucked up, especially since you obviously don't understand that this affects everyone. So, yeah, women who have 15 kids by 20 different fathers are irresponsible and don't deserve help, but guess what? Those kids are people too and they don't choose who their parents are. THEY are the ones you try to help by giving this woman welfare, not her. They deserve a chance in life just like you got, and if they don't get one, well we see where it goes. They knock up some whore who already has 10 kids, run off, steal shit, join a gang, have no prospects from the day they were born til the day they die.

And I think you really missed the point on #2 :p. I wasn't agreeing with you, I was saying your point was fucking retarded. Which is a pattern with you, isn't it?

samuel 08.25.2009 10:34 PM

My mom used to work at a food store. She said 90% of the people who paid with food stamps bought shit like Ben & Jerry's ice cream all the time. Why not buy the generic brand? Or how about something healthier? I guess if you get money for doing nothing, why not?

No one is saying poor people shouldn't be helped out. I just don't want to work, so others can do nothing and eat Ben & Jerry's, sit in the air conditioning and watch Jerry Springer all day. (I know that's not everyone, but even if there's one, that's not right.) My family didn't turn the AC on once this summer even though it hit 100 sometimes. Why? Because we would rather save our money. Poor people in other countries live in shacks and dig through garbage for food. They're the ones who I'd like to give my money too.

So if people on welfare can get Ben & Jerry's ice cream (a pint for $5.99), then I think we're giving them enough, if not too much. For $5.99, you can get 10 Ramen noodles, 10 cans of corn, a box of cereal, a loaf of bread, and some fresh fruit. That's what I bought yesterday!

And as for health care, I've gotten one prescription in my entire life. When I have a sore throat, allergies, trouble sleeping, or a sprained ankle... I deal with it. How do you think people survived before licensed doctors? I'm not saying people with cancer shouldn't be helped out. I'm saying enough with medicine to get you through an average day.

davenotdead 08.25.2009 10:57 PM

amen, and people actually go to the doctor when they get a sore throat? shiiit/

i've never been to a general practitioner.

Satan 08.25.2009 10:58 PM

i have a prescription for painkillers for chronic severe back and leg pain. does that make me a terrible person?

davenotdead 08.25.2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Satan
i have a prescription for painkillers for chronic severe back and leg pain. does that make me a terrible person?


no, just go to a chiropractor. a good one will actually fix the problem, so you don't have to keep buying drugs which just numb yr brain/pain receptors into thinking the problem's fixed.

pbradley 08.25.2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel
I know that's not everyone

I'm not saying people with cancer shouldn't be helped out.

So you're willing to spite the worthy because of the worthless?

davenotdead 08.25.2009 11:07 PM

 

Satan 08.25.2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
no, just go to a chiropractor. a good one will actually fix the problem, so you don't have to keep buying drugs which just numb yr brain/pain receptors into thinking the problem's fixed.

are you fucking kidding me? i have sciatica.

pbradley 08.25.2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
no, just go to a chiropractor.

Mostly pseudoscientific bullshit.

Satan 08.25.2009 11:13 PM

Treatment

When the cause of sciatic is due to a prolapsed or lumbar disc herniation 90% of disc prolapses will resolve with no specific intervention. Treatment of the underlying cause of the compression is needed in cases of epidural abscess, epidural tumors, and cauda equina syndrome.
Many cases of sciatica are treated with different modalities. Evidence of effectiveness for these measures are however limited.[8] Some of these measures include:
Anti-inflammatory medications (e.g. NSAIDs or oral steroids though NSAIDs are no more effective than a placebo for acute sciatica. [9]
Acetaminophen: limited evidence
Narcotics: often used if severe pain
Physical therapy / Stretching exercises: no evidence of improving pain or function
Epidural steroid injects: no long term improvements in outcomes but some short term benefits
Non-surgical spinal decompression
Massage Therapy: little support
Chiropractic: no benefit has been found over concerative treatment

pbradley 08.25.2009 11:19 PM

in before big pharma conspiracy

floatingslowly 08.25.2009 11:25 PM

man, Ben & Jerrys sounds good like a motherfucker right now.

davenotdead 08.25.2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Satan
Treatment

When the cause of sciatic is due to a prolapsed or lumbar disc herniation 90% of disc prolapses will resolve with no specific intervention. Treatment of the underlying cause of the compression is needed in cases of epidural abscess, epidural tumors, and cauda equina syndrome.
Many cases of sciatica are treated with different modalities. Evidence of effectiveness for these measures are however limited.[8] Some of these measures include:
Anti-inflammatory medications (e.g. NSAIDs or oral steroids though NSAIDs are no more effective than a placebo for acute sciatica. [9]
Acetaminophen: limited evidence
Narcotics: often used if severe pain
Physical therapy / Stretching exercises: no evidence of improving pain or function
Epidural steroid injects: no long term improvements in outcomes but some short term benefits
Non-surgical spinal decompression
Massage Therapy: little support
Chiropractic: no benefit has been found over concerative treatment



source and/or who do you think wrote that?

floatingslowly 08.25.2009 11:30 PM

dude, if you think chiropractory can fix herniated discs, yr very mistaken. it'll make 'em worse. and unless surgery can fix them (and sometimes it can't), yr stuck with pills to keep yrself from taking a gun and shooting yrself in the head. unless, of course, you enjoy never-ending chronic pain.

Satan 08.25.2009 11:30 PM

wiki and/or do i give a fuck? ive tried absolutely everything. several chiropractors, acupuncture, you name it. all paid for OUT OF POCKET. popping heavy duty painkillers all day is absolutely the only thing that helps.

i dont have a herniated disc my spine is just fucked up and crushing a nerve

davenotdead 08.25.2009 11:33 PM

ok i read the wikipedia page where you got that from.

a quick google search told me that chiropractors can, in fact, fix sciatica. which makes sense since its a spinal condition. which is what chiropractic is all about.

this is the first guy i found, and he does it.
http://www.oldtowncpk.com/faq.htm

davenotdead 08.25.2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
dude, if you think chiropractory can fix herniated discs, yr very mistaken. it'll make 'em worse. and unless surgery can fix them (and sometimes it can't), yr stuck with pills to keep yrself from taking a gun and shooting yrself in the head. unless, of course, you enjoy never-ending chronic pain.



false

Satan 08.25.2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
ok i read the wikipedia page where you got that from.

a quick google search told me that chiropractors can, in fact, fix sciatica. which makes sense since its a spinal condition. which is what chiropractic is all about.

this is the first guy i found, and he does it.
http://www.oldtowncpk.com/faq.htm

what did i just tell you, IT DOESNT WORK.

been there, done that, wasted that money.

floatingslowly 08.25.2009 11:34 PM

^^^ 40mg prednisone qd, 20mg prednisone the next day and 10mg the next.

make yr doctor give you a script. take them when it starts to act up.

$3 for 30 or something insanely cheap.

get off the narcs. :p


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