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 Not sure why this interpretation of Robin Hood was so violently trashed by critics last year. They made a Robin Hood movie in the style of CW's Arrow, with some sleek cinematography and fluid action scenes. Questionably modern wardrobe choices aside, I had a lot of fun watching this flamblyant blockbuster version of the classic tale. Really cleansed the stink of Velvet Buzzsaw out of my mouth. |
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Loved your review of Velvet Buzzsaw. I haven't seen it, just like your review! |
A question: how much of the symbolism we analyse in film and that was actually intentional and designed by the director, and how much is just art school overanalytic wankery?
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Ummm... depends on the movie? Film, just like literature, is a method of communication where the author's intent is sometimes masked by the poetic spectacle. You seem to have gripes with artsier films. It's a shame, as cinema truly is the greatest art form to ever exist. I hope one day you find a movie that really opens your eyes to this. |
 First Blood The sequels may have turned the Rambo name into a joke but this is a really solid movie that doesn't deserve to be lumped in with what was to come.  |
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who the fuck is "we"? :D and what is "symbolism" outside of XIX century french poetry? Correspondances La Nature est un temple où de vivants piliers Laissent parfois sortir de confuses paroles; L’homme y passe à travers des forêts de symboles Qui l’observent avec des regards familiers. Comme de longs échos qui de loin se confondent Dans une ténébreuse et profonde unité, Vaste comme la nuit et comme la clarté, Les parfums, les couleurs et les sons se répondent. Il est des parfums frais comme des chairs d’enfants, Doux comme les hautbois, verts comme les prairies, — Et d’autres, corrompus, riches et triomphants, Ayant l’expansion des choses infinies, Comme l’ambre, le musc, le benjoin et l’encens, Qui chantent les transports de l’esprit et des sens. |
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I'd say it's 99% wankery. |
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I'd say it depends less on the film and more on the person analysing it. I've seen great films butchered and mediocre ones suddenly seem more interesting depending on the sensitivity of whoever's analysing them. |
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that's true he's a traumatized vietnam vet who cries like a baby not sure how that became a symbol of reaganism-machismo-militarism was it rambo 2? was it rocky V? (the soviet) wait was that rocky IV the 80s are such a joke sometimes... but yeah the original rambo is an innocent casualty of this shit |
The character was pretty much re-invented in Rambo 2. And yeah, Rocky IV was when it went all Two-Tribes. Remember James Brown singing 'Livin in America' in an Uncle Sam hat? Weird stuff. Not that I didn't love it all at the time.
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I'm absolutely sure I will in the future, but it'll probably be when I'm watching something myself for pleasure. Having to bludgeon a book or movie to death is really frustrating - but that may just be because subtexts and themes have always been kind of hidden to me. |
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Maybe it's because I'm a total knuckle dragger but honestly I rarely spend a lot of time looking for subtexts and whatnot in films. Some maybe, but my general pleasure of Tarkovsky or Parajanov or whatever isn't diminished by my laziness. In other news, I saw yesterday on Twitter that John Wayne was trending. I had a look at it was all about his infamous Playboy interview where he showed his less friendly side of him. Problem is that far too many people were acting outraged and shocked by it. I mean, c'mon, firstly they're getting outraged by an interview done 40 years ago, and secondly they're acting like they've found a big secret that John Wayne was a dickhead. Swear Twitter is the dumbest thing to happen to the internet. |
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Eraserhead is a potent example of this. I've seen so many people analyze that film to hell and back. All this stuff about parallel dimensions, and deep philosophical burdens, when to me it's clearly just a dark comedy about a man struggling to cope with the pressures of becoming a father. Most of the symbolism in Eraserhead is fairly straightforward. It's akin to a cartoon at some points, it's so on the nose. So many look for an ocean in a puddle, while Lynch just wiggles his fingers and jests, "I don't know what it's about... what do you think?" (wiggle wiggle) Quote:
Totally! Some professors have a way of making everything over-analytical and boring. Imagine taking a class on Daydream Nation and being forced to decipher the meaning behind each bit of reverb and distortion. Art is about passion, and you can't force that. |
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Just wait until they discover that Mickey Mouse's design was based on minstrel shows. Heads. Will. Roll. |
I can already imagine the 'Walt Disney is cancelled' tweets.
I probably fit in perfectly with the outraged people here ([post-]millennial liberal), but I'm not really pissed off about it. Maybe because I just assume people are dickheads nowadays. Maybe because I don't care about John Wayne. I get on board outrage pileups sometimes, but I think we should calm down. |
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IT DOESN"T MATTER. A work of art, once completed, does not rely for meaning on what the artist intended to imbue it with. A good work of art has many different interpretations. A GREAT work of art has many deep and complex and mutually exclusive interpretations. Films are created with a specific purpose, but that purpose is meaningless once the work is created and out in the world. Any and all viewers will experience the artwork based solely on what their own experiences/reality tunnel is. Shakespeare wrote what he thought was just pure entertainment for the masses, but he did it so fucking QUALITY that he managed to imbue the whole of human experience into his art, without meaning to. |
In Media the class spent ten minutes trying to find a frame of Psycho that had Janet Leigh's nipple in it.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hour_Psycho they showed it at the hirshhorn once and i went to see it and it was bananas |
 Not as tight of a production as Muppets Treasure Island, but I still had fun overall. Well worth the ten cents I paid for this VHS at the thrift store. Jeffrey Tambor was a real treat. Boy, has he lost weight since this film!  A bunch of dated celebrity cameos: the "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan drop-in had me in stitches, as did Rob Schneider's appearance as a TV executive   |
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I'm not the biggest Antonioni fan, but I whole heartedly admire what he did for art house/foreign cinema in the 60's. "L'Aventurra" has the balls to be a missing persons film that decides to forget the missing person and focus on everyone else. It's a gimmick that many others have used (including Asghar Farhardi's tremendous "About Elly" and the recent Russian film "Loveless") and it seems to hit the sweet spot everytime. "L'Eclisse" is just tremendous for its use of sound and image. Same with "Blow Up". The guy was a true filmmaker. |
That's fair. I'm a fan but I respect that even people open to art cinema can have a hard time with him, and even I'd admit he may be more noted for individual moments in his films than for their overall affect: the final scenes in L'Eclisse; the beach scene in Red Desert, the deserted village in L'Aventurra, the climax of (the otherwise awful) Zabriskie Point, etc.
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Wait, who’s the islamopbobe and who’s the dick-flasher? I honestly know nothing about this movie aside from the basic premise and something about Viggo Mortensen dropping the N-bomb in an interview. I’m just glad Black Panther didn’t win. Because fuck that shit. That movie was just OK and everyone goddamn knows it. |
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a cis white male millionaire thief brought you the news and didn’t black panther win costumes? so i read this morning |
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shit nephew, Black Panther was a better Avengers movie than any of the previous ones! hahahah. I am glad it won for costuming. them shits were amazing. I am SO fed up with endless films about British inbred pederast royals and their tought times and their fucking bullshit. we are a country that took a HEAPING HUGE SHIT on the british royal assholes specifically and the entire idea of monarchy generally, yet the oligarchy tries to shove the idea of Royals/aristocracy as if it was something we miss fondly. fuck their lies. fuck their inbred Huguenot fuckfaces. |
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yeah i hated the whole royal family business. like the science sister who invents everything, runs schools in oakland, everything. only the aristocracy matters, lol (just like star wars). i lost track at huguenot bit though |
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Bullshit. Black Panther wasn’t even the best Marvel movie of the year. Nice atmosphere and stuff, cool idea to pace the narrative around Killmonger’s arc, but it was just fuckin’ Rocky. It was SO BASIC, aside from the Killmonger childhood stuff. T’Challa was portrayed better in Civil War, which was a better movie. In BP, whatshisname was wooden as hell on the acting front. The fact that it had a kickin’ (but not amazing) soundtrack doesn’t make it good. Neither does the fact that there is cultural significance — which I wholly support and am profoundly happy about — but still... it was just OK. It was not a better film than many of the other films in similar genres that have not received Best Picture nominations. I won’t go into which films I’m talking about (*cough* bladerunner2049andthatoneheathledgerchristianbalem ovie *cough*) But it was fine. Whatever. |
Wait, I can’t tell if you liked it or didn’t like it now that I re-read your post.
It’s all about royalty and aristocracy, just black aristocracy, and royalty learning lessons and possessing a conscience a la King Arthur. It’s basicaly just King Arthur meets Rocky as directed by Ryan Coogler. And those CGI fights are going to look SO BAD in like 15 minutes. Like fucking cartoons. Practical FX have feelings too. |
I liked Black Panther as escapism entertainment. fun as fuck.
I could give a shit about the royalty crap in Black Panther.. that outdated shit needs to go. |
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Well if you think it needs to go, you give a shit. But yah whatever |
I will re-phrase..
the extermination of all royalty/aristocracy and all religion is the only thing that will save humanity as a whole from self-extinction. |
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That’s not really a rephrase. That’s more of a new, different point. But ok, so you give a shit about it and are just ignoring it in Black Panther. Just failing to see how it’s a problem for you general and in film narratives but not in that movie. But whatever. All I’m saying is the thing was 100% not Best Picture worthy, not that any of the contenders were (I’ve only seen BP). |
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in this here house we larffed at the magical princess being appointed to basically run it all #nepotism |
I am a child of the 80's. to "give a shit" is to care. I do NOT care in the least about them. I care about the destruction of them, the erasure of their existence, the decimation of their family lines and the gradual forgetting that any of them ever even existed.
Black Panther is a ,ovie about a hero who protects his homeland. If you do not see the difference between that and the endless costume epics that anglo fucks keep shoving down our throats every fucking year, I need to school you a bit on context! |
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not really Denis Diderot: "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." |
glad to see Panther got costumes. Watched an interview on PBS with the costumer, she was fucking great!
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So you want them destroyed, just not in Black Panther. I might sound like a dick, but I’m just trying to clarify. Also, I’m a child of the ‘80s too. But if I hate something, I care about it. I give a shit if I hate it. Having strong feelings one way or the other is caring. I see the difference between costume epics about real kingdoms and empires and the fantasy one in Black Panther, but I also see the similarities. If you don’t, I need to school you a bit on critical thinking. ;) |
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