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Severian 01.13.2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
watched Blade Runner 2049. Pretty good. Nice cinematography and a really effective score. Ambient, mostly added to the movie, vs the garbage on the Dunkin Dunkirk thing. I thought it was wrapped up ineffectively with the necessary, but overdone Deker thing as well as a fairly unbelievable group of rebels. If the state was so powerful and overarching, it should have dealt with the rebels and the K deviance post fucking haste. The digital girlfriend would have reported K's every move. But, all in all, pretty decent.


Deckard.
It’s Deckard.

I’m glad you liked it, but I think you’re missing a bit of the underlying thread, which is that these various machines are approaching humanity, and developing human consciousness, awareness, and even something approaching physiology and neurochemisty, so the “digital girlfriend” essentially loved K, and fought its own programming to protect him.

That said, it fucking DID record his every move. That actually happened throughout the movie, and is the reason why the “state” (corporation) actually WAS able to track K down and “handle him” pretty “Post-haste.”

So... pay better attention.

Also, K’s supervisor covered for him and died for it. That only bought him about an hour.

The whole movie takes place over the course of about two days. I’d say they handled the deceptive android cop pretty post-haste, since they, y’know, hunted him down and left him for dead and eventually actually did kill him.

I agree the resistance thing was a little sloppy, but it’s a grander concept. Something to leave open to the audience of the next 30 years, since I don’t think a third volume is going to happen any time soon.

Severian 01.13.2018 10:42 AM

You’re so unforgivably full of shit about Dunkirk though.

!@#$%! 01.13.2018 10:46 AM

jab, jab, jab, cross, jab, jab, bob and weave, uppercut

ilduclo 01.13.2018 11:52 AM

deckhand ;)

saw Elstree 1976 the other night. Probably means a lot more to the avid Star Wars fan (so, not me) but was interesting as a study of some of the extras involved in the first SW episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyqtm2D03z4

LifeDistortion 01.14.2018 04:25 PM

 


Such a great movie.

Severian 01.14.2018 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
 


Such a great movie.



Oh, I was meaning to watch like this six months ago but forgot all about it.

Can you humor me and elaborate a bit? What made it great? What’s it about in a broad sense? (All I read was the description in iTunes, but the cover and the title caught my interest.)

LifeDistortion 01.14.2018 06:55 PM

Three friends in high school. When an incident between the friends happens the lives and their friendships spiral down. Being deliberately vague here. This movie made a lot of best horror of the year lists. Yet, I'm not sure I'd even describe it as a horror movie. Its more in line with something like The River's Edge. Its not that the plot has plot twists or revelations either. Its about a friendship that goes really bad. I think it captures male friendship in a honest way, how aggressive it can be. I think its one of the most honest portrayals of adolescent friendships, it has gotten apt comparisons to Stand By Me in that way.

Severian 01.14.2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
Three friends in high school. When an incident between the friends happens the lives and their friendships spiral down. Being deliberately vague here. This movie made a lot of best horror of the year lists. Yet, I'm not sure I'd even describe it as a horror movie. Its more in line with something like The River's Edge. Its not that the plot has plot twists or revelations either. Its about a friendship that goes really bad. I think it captures male friendship in a honest way, how aggressive it can be. I think its one of the most honest portrayals of adolescent friendships, it has gotten apt comparisons to Stand By Me in that way.


I am fucking interested as fuck.

Was expecting you to give me a slight tweak of the Stranger Things plot... which would have been boring, since Stranger Things only works because it’s a slight tweak of a million classic ‘80s SF/Horror plots. Much more interested now.

Thanks. I’ll get to it soon.

!@#$%! 01.15.2018 01:46 PM

ghost in the shell, live action version

 


first: let’s get the whitewashing business out of the way: no. everyone is from everywhere in this movie— there’s a romanian, there’s juliette binoche, there are chinese (the cricket minister from marco polo) and japanese actors, there are incomprehensible british accents, and the production seems mostly chinese judging by the credits. good job. sjws are missing the point i think.

second: i like some of the characterizations. #1 beat takeshi as aramaki— hell yeah. he’s the best. hilarious/tough/great. #2 scarlett as kusanagi is great. not saying this just because i like her (who doesn’t) but because she makes great kusanagi faces. guess she learned it playing the alien in scotland? she really can act— it’s the little gestures and twitches.

third: the atmospherics were great. sure you can transplant them from here to blade runner to any number of science fictions fron animation to black and white, and in that they weren’t original *at all* (i guess there’s some vast consensus on what the urban future will be like) but it creates an appropriate mood for the thing and it felt good to be submerged in it. i would have liked to see this in a big screen. yeah.

what i didn’t really like was the writing. and by that i mean the plot. the story, sure, is more or less the same as the original (but i confuse & conflate with so much in the series)— but the way that everything is on the nose here ruins ,things for me. ok it’s not the same story— it’s a worse story too.

particularly the beginning and the end.

at the beginning, instead of starting directly with the raid on that dining hall as i recall the anime began, we get the major’s 6-million-dollar-woman credit “we will rebuild her” (or something) for the dumb public. it was much better to drop into the middle of things and then let things be revealed as i recalled. there was no trying to figure out what’s going on— everything is pre-chewed.

so, same about the hollywood ending. annoying.

but i guess blockbusters have to play it safe. also missing where the characterizations of other members of section 9– but those maybe i got more from the series. hard to recall what’s what— it’s a confusing universe. but anyway, this is not about having to be the same, it’s about not being as good writing, not nearly, no. it’s about writing that is meh.

it was the same thing with aeon flux as i recall— i did like the charlize theron movie some, but to see all that ambiguity and nihilism and s/m reduced to a neatly tied up package with a moral message was annoying in retrospect.

so, anyway, to summarize— nice to look at, but plotwise was like eating baby food where the original was philosphical fugu.

ilduclo 01.15.2018 03:16 PM

I haven't read the comics, but I started that one, then bailed out after about 15 minutes, because of the, as you said, $6 million woman feel. So, not worth a revisit?

!@#$%! 01.15.2018 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
I haven't read the comics, but I started that one, then bailed out after about 15 minutes, because of the, as you said, $6 million woman feel. So, not worth a revisit?


i haven’t read the comics either but the 1995/6 movie was simply phenomenal. one of the best animes ever. and the tv shows (2 seasons) were great too.

there are also cuts and recuts of tv into movies, and a newer anime film i havent seen yet.

but yeah unless you’re a fan of scarlett or just like the visuals i wouldn’t bother with this one storywise.

ultimately it’s just fucking corny.

ok ok maybe the too-short beat takeshi scenes justify it. beat takeshi! ha ha ha. he’s the greatest.

but do watch the 95-96’ original and see how you like. also the FIRST tv series wihch is brilliant.

h8kurdt 01.15.2018 05:40 PM

I actually went to see that at the pictures and y'know what? I can't remember a single thing about it. Actually that's a lie. I can remember two things-the ending (pretty much feel the same as symbols has said) and the crowbarring of the spider.

Other than that it's a total non entity for me.

tw2113 01.15.2018 05:53 PM

Started the Hobbit trilogy as I type this, because I finished the book earlier this afternoon.

!@#$%! 01.15.2018 10:17 PM

ABOUT SCHMIDT

 


now this was fucking great

funny, sure, but there was *a lot* more to it than just the lols.

ambiguity in art is a great thing.

Severian 01.15.2018 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
ghost in the shell, live action version

 


first: let’s get the whitewashing business out of the way: no. everyone is from everywhere in this movie— there’s a romanian, there’s juliette binoche, there are chinese (the cricket minister from marco polo) and japanese actors, there are incomprehensible british accents, and the production seems mostly chinese judging by the credits. good job. sjws are missing the point i think.

second: i like some of the characterizations. #1 beat takeshi as aramaki— hell yeah. he’s the best. hilarious/tough/great. #2 scarlett as kusanagi is great. not saying this just because i like her (who doesn’t) but because she makes great kusanagi faces. guess she learned it playing the alien in scotland? she really can act— it’s the little gestures and twitches.

third: the atmospherics were great. sure you can transplant them from here to blade runner to any number of science fictions fron animation to black and white, and in that they weren’t original *at all* (i guess there’s some vast consensus on what the urban future will be like) but it creates an appropriate mood for the thing and it felt good to be submerged in it. i would have liked to see this in a big screen. yeah.

what i didn’t really like was the writing. and by that i mean the plot. the story, sure, is more or less the same as the original (but i confuse & conflate with so much in the series)— but the way that everything is on the nose here ruins ,things for me. ok it’s not the same story— it’s a worse story too.

particularly the beginning and the end.

at the beginning, instead of starting directly with the raid on that dining hall as i recall the anime began, we get the major’s 6-million-dollar-woman credit “we will rebuild her” (or something) for the dumb public. it was much better to drop into the middle of things and then let things be revealed as i recalled. there was no trying to figure out what’s going on— everything is pre-chewed.

so, same about the hollywood ending. annoying.

but i guess blockbusters have to play it safe. also missing where the characterizations of other members of section 9– but those maybe i got more from the series. hard to recall what’s what— it’s a confusing universe. but anyway, this is not about having to be the same, it’s about not being as good writing, not nearly, no. it’s about writing that is meh.

it was the same thing with aeon flux as i recall— i did like the charlize theron movie some, but to see all that ambiguity and nihilism and s/m reduced to a neatly tied up package with a moral message was annoying in retrospect.

so, anyway, to summarize— nice to look at, but plotwise was like eating baby food where the original was philosphical fugu.


Sounds worth watching on a bored Saturday night if nothing else.

That Aeon Flux movie was kinda trash as I recall. Shame because the old show was so so so great.

demonrail666 01.16.2018 05:28 AM

 


Choses secrètes

Linked with the 'New French Extremity' films that've emerged over the last couple of decades (see also, Irreversible, Haute Tension, Martyrs, etc.), this went under the radar a bit, perhaps because, in comparison with those films it isn't actually that extreme - graphically anyway. It's essentially an erotic thriller; albeit one with shades of De Sade and Bataille to give it that philosophical air of transgression (which might ultimately be more central to the NFE 'movement' than any graphic displays of torture, rape, etc.) Anyway, in terms of recent trends in cinema, I do find this one probably the most interesting, even if the films themselves can be pretty hit and miss. I also think the more graphic end will eventually hit a dead end once it reaches (as it inevitably must) that final layer of taboo represented by actual, un-simulated violence (snuff) or sex involving children: areas that it simply can't touch. I suppose that's a problem whenever anything defines itself through graphic extremity: that it eventually reaches its legally defined limit. In that sense, because Choses secrètes emphasises extremity at the level of ideas rather than their graphic display, it may point to a more sustainable future for these kinds of films.

Peterpuff 01.17.2018 04:12 PM

mother!


Did not think I was going to enjoy it as much as I did. The trailer totally presents it in a differently light that made me not too interested in watching. Went ahead and checked it out on a friend's recommendation, and was pleased. Not the best thing ever, but it is one of those that just sort of sticks with you in your head after watching.

It still has that Aronofsky mind-fuck pretentiousness that gets a little on my nerves in some of his flicks, but it actually fits alright for me in this one. It's more fitting in this film and has it's place, if that makes sense. Hard to explain.

h8kurdt 01.17.2018 04:54 PM

Did you not think it was totally exhausting? I enjoyed it a lot, but god I was work out by the end!

Peterpuff 01.17.2018 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
Did you not think it was totally exhausting? I enjoyed it a lot, but god I was work out by the end!


Hahahaha. Yes, I did. In fact, I think you just explained what I meant by "hard to explain" quite well. "Exhausting" is a perfect word for it. But, like said, in a good way for some reason with this movie. It fit. That drained feeling at the end while reflecting and piecing it all together seemed to make sense. More so with this one than some of his other ones, I felt. That last half hour or so was one hell of a ride, for better or for worse.

HenryHill51 01.19.2018 11:56 PM

Best films of '17

#20 -#11

The Great Wall, The Glass Castle, Let It Fall: Los Angeles 1982-1992, It Comes At Night, Wonderstruck, Karl Marx City, mother!, Ex-Libris: The New York Public Library, Columbus, Blade Runner 2049

#10 - #1

The Post
Bomb City
20th Century Women
The Salesman
Phantom Thread
Personal Shopper
Dunkirk
Lady Bird
Wind River
The Lost City of Z

tw2113 01.20.2018 08:46 PM

Tank Girl

dirty bunny 01.20.2018 11:59 PM

I Love You, Man.

Not going to say terrible. Just contrived and hacky. And of course, unfunny. If it were actually funny I could give it a pass.

!@#$%! 01.21.2018 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 


Choses secrètes

Linked with the 'New French Extremity' films that've emerged over the last couple of decades (see also, Irreversible, Haute Tension, Martyrs, etc.), this went under the radar a bit, perhaps because, in comparison with those films it isn't actually that extreme - graphically anyway. It's essentially an erotic thriller; albeit one with shades of De Sade and Bataille to give it that philosophical air of transgression (which might ultimately be more central to the NFE 'movement' than any graphic displays of torture, rape, etc.) Anyway, in terms of recent trends in cinema, I do find this one probably the most interesting, even if the films themselves can be pretty hit and miss. I also think the more graphic end will eventually hit a dead end once it reaches (as it inevitably must) that final layer of taboo represented by actual, un-simulated violence (snuff) or sex involving children: areas that it simply can't touch. I suppose that's a problem whenever anything defines itself through graphic extremity: that it eventually reaches its legally defined limit. In that sense, because Choses secrètes emphasises extremity at the level of ideas rather than their graphic display, it may point to a more sustainable future for these kinds of films.


don’t have anything to add but just wanted to say it was really good to read this the other day and again today.

i might watch this if i can find it.

ilduclo 01.21.2018 11:07 AM

I didn't much like Lost City...seemed like a throwback

demonrail666 01.21.2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
don’t have anything to add but just wanted to say it was really good to read this the other day and again today.

i might watch this if i can find it.


Thanks.

It isn't a great film (although I just noticed Cahiers du cinema made it their #1 film of 2002) For me it really just raised an interesting point about an interesting body of films. And it does star the almost impossibly beautiful Coralie Revel, who I could just sit and look at forever. So that helped.

 

demonrail666 01.21.2018 11:53 AM

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Phantom Thread


I'm really looking forward to seeing that next month.

ilduclo 01.21.2018 02:49 PM

Anyone seen Shape of Water yet?

LifeDistortion 01.21.2018 03:35 PM

Last night I watched It Comes At Night. Really enjoyed that, and yes, I've seen The Shape of Water.

tw2113 01.21.2018 08:19 PM

Pirate Radio

Severian 01.21.2018 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
Last night I watched It Comes At Night. Really enjoyed that, and yes, I've seen The Shape of Water.


Shape of Water looks like a backstory on Abe Sapien from the Del Torro Hellboy movies. Costume looks the same... origin seems roughly similar (amphibious beat in a lab/Hospital, feds and so on try to study him) ...

Just sayin’

evollove 01.22.2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dirty bunny
I Love You, Man.

Not going to say terrible. Just contrived and hacky. And of course, unfunny. If it were actually funny I could give it a pass.


Huh. I haven't seen it in a few years, but I've seen it a few times because I found a lot in it to appreciate. Only possible conclusion: you're completely wrong.

EDIT: Hahahaha I was thinking of I Love You Phillip Morris. Yeah, I Love You Man wasn't very great. You're completely right.

Rob Instigator 01.22.2018 10:40 AM

Volunteers with Tom Hanks and John Candy and Rita Wilson. who made that movie????

Rob Instigator 01.22.2018 03:52 PM

shit Ive seen recently
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Kong Skull Island was fun the second time. I like it.

John Wick II, pretty spare story but john woo-esque ballet of the trans-visceral. Very entertaining.

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - Not as all around enthralling as the first, but a fun film. had a good time with it. They did not try too hard.

Star Wars Last Jedi - saw it at matinee in recliner leather seats. fucking fun movie. maybe the most enjoyable star wars film since empire. I loved it. I liked how the old star wars were typical hero tale shit, but this one was more true to life, where plans do not automatically suceed just because your motivations are good. Plus I liked pissed off Luke.

Rob Instigator 01.25.2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yeah that zemo nazi wasn’t ther on vol 2

vol 2 is:

****SPOILERZZZEZZ****

first they’re doing some shit for some golden blondes but the rat steals stuff and they have to run away. then kurt russell shows up as ego (obvious name is obvious), the long lost dad who is really a whole planet who can manipulate matter and decided to reproduce and sure enuff impregnated the guy’s earth mama and reunited— they even play catch! who the fuck plays catch anymore? what a stupid fucking trope. but anyway. “catch”. like, everyone has to play it or they’re not a dad or something. gahhh, america. but anyway. it continues from there with more sappy nonsense. including zoe’s less-hot sister who “just wanned 2be a sisterr booohooo”. bad daddys everywhere. but the blue guy with the arrow will yank your tears hard! and his friends! it’s aaaaall about family after all. every character and thing is twisted to shit to fit that theme. yukkalicious.



the comic was suck ass shit tooo

Severian 01.25.2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
the comic was suck ass shit tooo


I actually agree.

I do not like Guardians in the comics. Not the “classic” Guardians, nor the newer Bendis Guardians on which the films are based. Not for me.

There’s some fun stuff, but mostly it’s just overly-quippy, loud, annoying bullshit. Like if a less-talented Aaron Sorkin wrote a comic book about a rag tag group of space fuckadoodles.

I can normally sit through just about any kind of comic book, no matter how stupid (you kind of have to have that ability if you want to read them at all), but I actually put GOTG down midway through volume 3 or 4. Just couldn’t take it anymore.

Oh hey, Rob, read Doomsday Clock ya bish!

deflinus 01.27.2018 09:45 AM

GO!

Haven't seen this movie before. Sarah Polley is fucking great in it. Her story is the best out of the three. Other two were lame

Rob Instigator 01.31.2018 02:08 PM

hey Severian, studio does not like Annihilation https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...etflix/551810/

LifeDistortion 01.31.2018 03:33 PM

I feel like Paramount doesn't deserve Annihilation being a hit after reading that news but a new sci-fi movie(non-sequel but being based on a book series so potential franchise) from Alex Garland in a follow up to the great Ex-Machina, with a great cast (Natalie Portman, Tessa Thompson, Oscar Issac) for Garland I want the film to do great even if Paramount doesn't deserve to reap the rewards of its success after this move.

Severian 01.31.2018 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
I feel like Paramount doesn't deserve Annihilation being a hit after reading that news but a new sci-fi movie(non-sequel but being based on a book series so potential franchise) from Alex Garland in a follow up to the great Ex-Machina, with a great cast (Natalie Portman, Tessa Thompson, Oscar Issac) for Garland I want the film to do great even if Paramount doesn't deserve to reap the rewards of its success after this move.


Not to mention a score from Geoff Barrow of Portishead. Movie’s gonna be awesome. And fucked up. And too smart for people.

Blade Runner 2049 syndrome.

Rob Instigator 01.31.2018 04:25 PM

in a world where anti-intellectualism runs rampant and people are ignorantly proud of being ignorant, it makes sense a film stuido would think the movie is too "intellectual." what a joke. Thank goodness the director had final say in contract


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