you trolling me AGAIN?

no, the following isn't meant in the spirit of trolling:

i really don't think that people telling other people on message boards "how to live their lives" is that much of an imposition, unless those people are utterly blank idiots who are irresistibly drawn towards mimicking anything anyone says to them because they can't think for themselves whatsoever.

not that i was actually doing that. or that "telling someone how to lives their lives" isn't a fucking stupid concept to attach to one suggestion about one subject.

heaven forbid anyone say anybody else should do anything? why do you and others seem to think or at least act like NOT being told what to do is some sort of freedom? or that anything anyone says anyone else should is a fascistic order they are meant to obey at all costs and unthinkingly. if you were never told to do ANYTHING things would not somehow be better because of it.

I don't doubt the motivation behind you posts isn't genuine, and I like that. On the other hand, I do doubt the motivation for Satan to start this thread is more serious than how it comes across. To me that's something you should bear in mind. I have to admit I still don't believe Satan is having a baby to start with, which makes this thread all the more sad. I hope she is, but that's just me.

i'm pretty sure most pregnant women are aware of the dangers of smoking.
usually, their doctors are in charge of that so i don't think they need random citizens to remind them constantly - it's not like they forget, it's more like they're addicted.

bearing this in mind there's nothing i would have said differently to her.

addiction can only be the act of refusal to quit. not inability to quit. for if you are to see it like this you shall never actually quit.

now, i really have said all i will say on all this.

I suppose you haven't been addicted to anything?

i'm just going to say something that hasn't been mentioned yet:

congratulations again on the baby satan, i hope everything goes well for the next 10 weeks!

nicotine is way more addictive than food, generally.

i find taking up exercise or dieting much easier than quitting smoking.

usually, people don't know how hard it is to quit unless they've been there.

tho it's true that some people have that easier than others, but i suppose that's because there are some people who are genetically less inclined to be addicted to things.

you'll find that doctors do say pregnant women should quit smoking, but most i've seen say cutting back is less dangerous than simply quitting at once.

From you that's probably a compliment, you sick bastard.

Drug addicts should not RAISE children.

Obesity, diabetes, etc. are not always brought on by choices made by the person. Don't be such a fucking troll. I know a guy with diabetes who took care of himself his whole life. It wasn't cuz he ate shit and was a fat slob.

Smoking while pregnant is a choice, raising a child in a house filled with 2nd hand smoke is a choice. Beating a child is a choice. Maybe not the best analogy, but far closer than yours. You are harming the child and know you are harming the child and still harming the child anyways. It's selfish.

And no I dont go around judging people, but if you admit something stupid like "ya I still smoke and am pregnant, does that make me a terrible person?" on a message board I will answer the fucking question.

And I would prefer you not tell me what I'm going to post next.

Women who feed their children junk food should learn to cook. Maybe.

your pregnant, well done. dont smoke its bad for the baby.

let's flip the tables.

imagine men get pregnant. imagine satan is a man and posts this thread.

guys post "dude, you know its wrong, so quit being a selfish prick and stop harming your kid"

and satan would be all: "you're right man. i'm tryin. I'm gonna do it."

but instead, we get all the asshole women commiserating together and telling men "well you don't know whats it like, and don't tell me what to do with my body".

a man, pregnant or not, would not post that.

is your "men vs. women" routine some sort of 80s comedy revival?

starring emilio estevez and phoebe cates. yes

i see. i thought it was more like this shit:

http://www.snotr.com/video/1180

warning: the audience laughs, but it's painful to watch

I thought your point was risks for the child not a moral debate on what's a person's choice or what is not.

If your concerns are really about the child, then you would be more worried about an obese person, or someone with genetic disorders having a baby. Let's stop this false moralism then.

I don't particularly think any of these things are choices: being fat, having diabetes, being a drug addict.

And I'm not in a position to say who should or shouldn't have children. Because if I were, I'd say 99% of the population shouldn't.

As for being pregnant, I have no idea how that feels. Still, a man knows even less.

What I do know is how hard it is to quit smoking, therefore I do not judge anyone for failing at that.

Now, I'd imagine it'd be much easier for a pregnant woman to quit smoking if her partner did as well, and the whole environment would be smoke-free. Now I don't see anyone having at go at men for not "helping" their pregnant ladies quit.

I don't even have to begin explaining how beating up a child is a million times more damaging and wrong than having a few smokes while you're pregnant, do I? Honestly.

It's easy to judge and say smoking is a "choice" but deep down you know quite well it is not. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so fucking hard to quit.

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Originally Posted by davenotdead a man, pregnant or not, would not post that.

well you don't know whats it like, and don't tell me what to do with my body.

o, ya. I went there.

Of course, another debate is why "community" has this expectation that a woman should instantly become a selfless being from the moment she learns she's pregnant. When obviously that level of self-control and selflessness is not even human, and the daddy generally doesn't face these high expectations and finger-pointing.

the daddy only has to spend tons of money on the woman and the kid and cater to her every emotional fleeting feeling, while being the brunt of every joke and referred to as a 2nd-class citizen because he did not shoulder the load of the placenta-ball for 9 months like a good soldier.

and all while telling her fat ass she is beautiful while hot young tail does not get to be pursued because a man hooking up with an attractive woman while his sow is pregnant would be completely ostracized from the community; as well as be anal-raped in court by the sow's lawyers.

but you wouldn't know what that's like knox, so stfu.

I don't know what it's like, but my mother, and countless others who quit when they became pregnant do.

so your arguement is flawed.

This.

This is retarded.

STOP PLAYING WHAT IFs.

The dad does not share his body with the baby.

BUT, both spouses should cut back and quit.

Why does doing the right thing have to be easy? Often it is not fucking easy. I dont see what the whole point is.

Raising a child is only going to get harder from here on, and quitting smoking seems like the first sacrifice of many.

That's what parent hood is about, being selfless.

That's why many avoid it until they are mature enough for it.

fucksake im out of this thread.

I certainly don't know what that is like.

Except that no one is perfect and I believe the thread starter is doing the best she can, so I'm not gonna be judgmental.

She'll be a great mother regardless.

You do realize that me and lilly are friends right?

I don't think she's a terrible person, just trying to help her. Not judge her.

It took me a long time to finally battle smoking. I had delluded myself. Just like all smokers do. So really, it's a case of you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.

She has come a long way regarding other addictions, which is awesome.

She's not a terrible person but still needs to quit.

Btw, I've felt this way about it since the last time she talked about it months ago. I keep my mouth shut until she brought it up again.

I hardly get serious on the internet.

boom.

one of the many reasons why god must love irony.
give the fucking selfish woman the first hint of what it means to be selfless and sacrifice for the kid she chose to have.

actually i take that back.

men are the first to show true selflessness, with the supremely gracious donation of the seed.

which is essentially a deposit into the woman's money-maker, her placenta.
likely guaranteeing her millions in financial stability over her lifetime, and at the least, guaranteeing a monthly wage in the form of child support.

Wow, sounds like someone knocked up the wrong chick and is taking it in the wallet...

You do know the deposit goes into the vagina, not the placenta, right? The placenta is what protects the kid from bad stuff and later comes out as a horrifying mess. The vagina is where babies come from and those that grow into men and teenage boys spend over half their lives trying to get back into.

nope. hasn't happened to me. i'm merely counterbalancing what the fems in this thread are claiming. and you are correct, they do sound jaded and defensive.

as for placentas and vaginas, i know all about those. i use them interchangeably as an artistic decision

the sow is essentially a boom deposit guaranteeing the form of millions for vaginas at the least. i'm interchangeably jaded and merely counterbalancing an artistic seed. nope. god must love fucking. let's flip men get pregnant. imagine the man. satan.

Yo Mammas On Crack Rock

yes, all of this . with tranquilizer fish hooks for the meek.

i think it's all relative. quitting smoking is hard compared to tying shoelaces or starting smoking.

it's alot easier than quitting asthma, which kids with smoking mothers might have.

i'm not trying to be a dick, i hope the baby is born completely free of health problems. the fact of the matter is that yr actions considerably reduce the chance of that happening, which sucks.

well, not all babies with smoking mothers have ashtma. there's a million of different factors there. i heard a doctor say the other day that most babies from mother who smoke are born just fine. Of course, there's not a reason to tell them they shouldn't smoke. This being selfish x selfless thing is a complex thing. Like I said, a lot of women with health issues decide to get pregnant knowingly the baby is under great risk. Is that selfish? selfless? who am I say? There is not one type of mother and there is not one "right" way to be one. We know what's excellent, and we know what's really shit, but there's all the people in the middle: people who aren't perfect, and do right and wrong things.

Having that said, my mother never smoked and I was born with ashtma which only went away since I started smoking. I've tried to quit smoking many times, but it is just harder for me since everytime I quit my respiratory allergies come back.

If I was pregnant with you I'd dump you in a bin liner and give you to a charity shop.

fucking tedious christ knox. what i said is HOW i quit everything.

if you're not paying any attention then please don't bother dragging this out with me post after post

so you were a smoker and you quit?

i'm asking because I have friends who found it easier to quit crack and cocaine.

lol.

http://www.medindia.net/news/Ozzy-Fo...it-21834-1.htm

maybe if they spent less time bitchin about how hard it was and actually, you know, did it they wouldn't have.

stop wasting my time please