she even said "this makes me just like them, except that im right"

Atheism is a lack of belief in God.

Theo is its root. As such, it is a statement of omission. For example, if there were an empty room, one might say there is a chair. Another might tell him he's wrong, there is no chair. The wise third, in response to both, should say there may or may not be a chair. In other words, the third makes no claim as to what is in the room.

How can you have a belief in something which is described as a DISBELIEF? LOLFAIL

I read this after posting my previous point.
I think what i do that you dont is i come to a conclusion, ive had this arguement with many of my religious friends and they tend to say the same thing to me that you say. Yeah, atheism isnt an assertion, its the refutation of an assertion thats already been made; you can have atheism without theism

Alright, then I am an atheist.

Let's just put it this way then: there's a lot of people out there treating atheism as you treat a religion. Claiming that you have to agree with all these things in order to be a REAL atheist. Sorry for my rant.

Where are all of these militant atheists I keep reading about?

one could understand a disbelief as a form of belief.

dinner parties mostly. they're not that organized.
and im not saying they don't have the right to do it, of course they do.

i think people are misinterpreting me and taking me as someone who believes in god or something.

that's like saying "I'm an avid not-football fan. I love not-football."

yes thats what ive been trying to say. thanks.

No probs, i always like a good rant, even when its against me :D
All ill say is there arent rules for being an atheist and if youre not one you arent damned for being so

yes it's sort of like that.
but you just said it, so it can be said.

CAN I HAS SCIENTIFIC REALISMZ PLZ?

well, of course one can say it, but does it make any fucking sense? no.

thats the way i see it too, but certain people have been taking atheism religiously. some.

No, that's what I've been saying. You've been saying atheism is a matter of faith.

this is an endless discussion, in what sense does it make sense, in what sense does it not make sense blah blah blah, its a matter of perception.

atheism... religiously...

Im not being shitty, but what do people do when they take it religiously?

Of course, though, I do consider myself an atheist.

But it would take me a lot of effort to explain how I progressed to that from an agnostic position. It involves Heidegger. ;(

–noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

Wha...?

it was a joke.

And what does "militant" or "hardcore*" atheism involve?





(*Cue picture of atheist porn)

Kinda makes my efforts to engage in conversation with you kinda pointless dont it

I don't have to explain again do I? Number 2. Belief anything that is not based on proof.

All our beliefs or disbeliefs cannot be proven, they are mere speculations.
Until you can prove that God does not exist, it will require faith in his non-existence to be an atheist.

this is just a wanking philosophical discussion anyway about the concepts of faith and belief, so it's getting annoying.

what you really need to know is that i have nothing against atheists or whatever.

and i even defend their right to be militant.

i'd like to know tho, in your opinion, can you be an atheist and consider the possibility of being wrong?

It involves being an overconfident twat.

:rolleyes:

HEY! I know you suck at making your point but no need to debase the field, shorty. Direct these fools to my post and I shall refute their faithful faithlessness.

I just think you do it so much better than me. Concise and all.
But they have been ignoring your posts, for some reason they are more interested in mine.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Absolutely wrong. Lack of faith.
Yes because atheism is a lack of belief based on lack of evidence. If the evidence were there then belief (faith) wouldn't be necessary because you would KNOW.

ikara's inner mind: How do I cop out as soon as possible...

What is interesting to me is to observe how in any discussion regarding religion or non-religion, people tend to take everything so personally and have a hard time disagreeing.

Your posts are more interesting. His are the same as yours dressed up in pseudo-philosophical wankery.

I don't know if you know this, because I've always held you in high regard, that you are defending the most base atheism.

I love discussing religion. I find your basic misunderstanding of the definition of atheism very frustrating though. And I do get a tad riled when anybody mentions militant atheism without telling me what it means.

OH SHIT! And I thought you were reasonable. In with Keep It Simple you go.

It means combating theism at every turn. Don't be so willfully dull.

I am very reasonable, but you keep saying things which don't mean anything. Please define "base atheism" for me.