Hip-hop isn't music, cause it has no notes in it (A, B, C, Do, Ré, Mi...)
Sometimes rappers use one, or two notes (beep), or they "borrow" a line from other musician..

It's all about rythm/beat, and lyrics, I'd call it urban poetry.

all music is fake.

... put to music

you mean, because they're black, right?

Nah.. because of what I said.
It fits for Eminem as well.

I've heard some extremely musical hip hop.

listen to themselves.

You're kidding me, right? So for instance, Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" is indeed music, because it consists of notes. Similarly, it's still music when Miles Davis recorded it because again, he played notes. But when those notes are used as the backdrop for Nas' "It Ain't Hard To Tell," it stops being music?

I feel like you deserve to be banned for yr thought process. Haha.

All music -- even noise -- technically has "notes".

I'm listening to some badass drone right now in the key of C.

All sounds can technically be classified as some type of note.

right.

y'know, I like to think that I'm sort of well-liked on this board. I try to get along with everybody. I always try to be respectful of contrasting opinions, try to stay open-minded about things I'm unfamiliar with. I don't troll really. And I basically try to be nice to everybody I talk to. But in this case, I just feel like Gaul is coming across as an idiot.

oh.

So, I just listened to the Nas song you're talking about, it's a good example of what I said earlier.
Two notes played regularly: I suspect they are here so that no one can deny that this is music, based on an objective point of view.

In my experience, a note has no interest in itself:it makes sense only by the one that comes before, after or at the same time.
Maybe those two notes are tremendous to you: good for you.
Some bands are even more minimalist, like Cypress Hill, who only use one note, but I won't put a link now, cause I'm listening to Cows.

Translation:

tho dem wr appas.

Yall are too much!

syg at its best.

As it's already been said on this thread, EVERY SINGLE SOUND has a NOTE. I think what you mean there is that there's no "melody", right?
First, there are actual melodies in a lot of hip hop songs (not always in the vocals, but in the beat itself); and then again, because there's no melody does not mean that it is not music. I'll quote the wikipedia definition once more ...


I think hip hop is sound and silence expressed through time, right?
There are LOTS of music with no melody at all. Jim O'Rourke released an album based on ONE note (can't remember which one, unfortunately). There's no real melody in Silver Sessions, yet it's massively acknowledged as a masterpiece there. John Cage created a MUSICAL piece of plain SILENCE. Because there's no proper melody does not mean it's not music.
Music is sound that makes feel emotions or makes you want to dance or headbang in rhythm or what the fuck it makes you feel. In that, I feel hip hop qualifies as music as much as rock, techno or classical music. That you like it or not is another thing.

Apocalypse Zone by Cryptic One gives me shivers every time I listen to it. I guess it's just the "kick kick snare" in the rhythm, since the piano doesn't play notes!