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Um, it's not a sexist thing. Or a control thing. It's the women carry the child thing. Sorry, didnt construct the way things are. Though, I am kind of godlike. As in, I dont exist. |
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Yup, doing those yoga stretches where you touch your toes is probably the most helpful thing in my quitting. ANd im on no high horse, my lungs are still fucked up and take inhalers so I can sing at shows sometimes... I'm in the mud under the camel stompin on my chest. |
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I like you but please, no bible. thnx |
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Oh get off YOUR high horse. I think smokers who cant quit are more bitchy then ex-smokers. Unless, you're being serious...then that sounds awesome. Let me change and take some shrooms, tell the bunnies to get me in an hour or two. |
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you know I cannot help myself:) |
well, it's HER child.
i don't know there's this funny thing that people seem to think as soon as a woman is pregnant they become somehow entitled of having a say. In many countries, women cannot abort. Most places have an entire community of doctors and people telling a woman she should choose natural birth and if she doesn't she's evil. Other times they'll say a woman is doing something wrong if she doesn't like to breastfeed. Or they will go to insane extremes like telling strangers who haven't asked anything that they shouldn't be smoking. It's almost like there's all these rules for you to be "worthy of motherhood". How is that different to going up to 40-year-old pregnant woman anf sayinf "how dare you get pregnant at that age? do you know how the risks for the child?". We just don't do that because it's nobody's business. But I know smoking is not something you choose to do, and I know I have absolutely no right over that person or her choices. if that's the logic we should be telling them to leave polluted places and controlling what they eat? quitting smoking is really hard. maybe if a woman had been planning she would have time to consider that. I haven't been pregnant, don't know what it feels like therefore i'm not gonna be judging, but I don't imagine it makes quitting smoking any easier. in fact, i once heard my doctor tell a pregnant woman quitting abruptly would be dangerous? there's a baby in there but it's not yours, so you have no say. |
is this what happens when a mother smokes?
i'm in my 3rd trimester... 11.16.2010 11:02 AM hevusa mothers who smoke are definitely cunts. she needs to hear it. what she is doing to that baby is wrong. |
Yes that 's what happens knox. I been pregnant and I did smoke. I agree with you so much on this one it's uncanny. I have also heard FROM THE DOCTOR with my own ears that quitting abruptly is dangerous to the baby because of the immense stress quitting puts on a woman's body.
Also, do you see ppl going up to "overweight" pregnant women telling them that thier child is in danger. NO social faux pax. But when you gain more than 30 lbs during a pregnancy or if you are already overweight, your child has many more causes for concern than that of a mom who has dramatically cut back. Preclampsia is caused by high blood pressure which is caused by excessive weight in the mother. This disease causes premature births (and at a MUCH higher rate than smoking) and can kill the mother and infant if not monitored. It is VERY common these days. I am not defending it. I am also not too ashamed to admit that I did it. If it does cause a low birth weight than I was blessed by it my kid came out 9lb 7 oz. Also, I cannot stand it when ppl are like you must breast feed it's the healthy and only way for the baby. Or have some other advice they think will save your child's life. |
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That's an interesting observation because I know of someone (a woman, ahhh!) who ended up in hospital feeling seriously ill with her health compromised after she quit her heavy smoking habit, and the doctors had to admit that giving up caused it. I know a few guys who have had aids for many years and still take drugs, smoke heavily and somehow fail to die. I realise I'm not saying much with this post, apart from the fact that not everyone gets the same immune system or necessarily dies fast from their bad habits, Smoking is obviously a disgusting habit, one that provides me with much joy, admittedly, but not necessarily everyone suffers its consequences so soon. |
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Right, except for when she asked for our say/opinions and started this thread. |
if you are referring to me knox, i wasn't telling her to do anything that she doesn't already know she should.
i was reminding her of what she already knows but didn't want to face up to. and just because the baby inside her is inside her and not anyone else, doesn't mean noone else should say ANYTHING on the subject. and all those other equivalencies you draw are just not relevant at least to what i was saying. and "it's hard" is just irrelevant. if you spend your time thinking about how it is instead of actually quitting then that will be the case. and i wasn't "judging" as if that matters. the point that its "her" child is also irrelevant because it's also A child and so if you have something to say that might be beneficial to that child then you would say it inspite of who its parents were no? i don't see much wisdom in someone "going up" to a 40 year old and saying "how dare you" but i do see wisdom in someone pointing out that the facts and clearly explaining the risks. they should be said for their own sake rather than for the sake of "going up" to someone or this judgement you seem to be so worried about. i think what you are annoyed about is the fact that not everyone is being "nice" and people are having the audacity to make suggestions in the first place. surely if you told me "don't cross the road" and me not doing so would result in me not getting hit by a car this would be the right thing to do, so why all the complaining when someone dares suggest anything that anyone else might do? no? you know what i think of this "nice" attitude? i think its bullshit. and i think if you had any respect for someone you would tell them the facts instead of worrying endlessly about not being sufficiently nice. when does that ever help anyone do anything but avoid the fact they know they have to quit. all i said was QUIT, and look, apparently satan decided to quit for a day just to say fu. i don't know how long anyone can quit if they are only doing it for the purpose of sticking it to someone else. but it is still quitting so its a start. she might even keep it up for all i know. considering she will likely realise how simple it is to actually quit and how it only requires effort if you have already decided you are going to give in but are just drawing out a long battle of denial and avoidance. i don't really care, but i cared enough to at least tell her the facts as i saw them, and i am not going to accept i should never say anything because everythings just an opinion and there is no objective truth so we should all be nice and quiet because that is just stupid. i saw that satan was bs'ing to avoid facing up to something and i called her on it. i'd do it again. if you wouldn't i don't see how you really give a shit for her when it comes down to it. as for hevusa, he's just trolling like he always does. so waste no time on him. the end. |
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to take a break from all this stupid shit. Good job on not smoking today Satan. Everyone is caught up in the ethical debate and ignoring the fact that you're TRYING. :) |
And back to the debate, Knox, so it's cool if you knew someone was beating their kid, to not say anything because it's not their kid?
Are we really fallin back in progress? |
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More importantly, why do you care so much about Satan (pfft) and her baby? She already knows everyone is selfish, so she can smoke the fuck out of it and she'll be fine. |
thats just stupid
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Did you have second thoughts about it?
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you asked me to troll you in the other thread so there you go. that was your troll.
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you get no more than that.
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that comparison is ridiculous. and nik i haven't even been reading your posts so i'm not saying anything to you. perhaps start making less assumptions in the future. |
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Why? Because you would smoke while pregnant and in front of a young, developing child? But wouldnt beat them because your morals are fucked? harming a child is harming a child. |
as long as noone JUDGES YOU you can do ANYTHING. because that god you don't believe in isn't watching. something along those lines.
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Nothing. Why? |
well genteel has sat in his own excrement and masterbated to the sensation of wet farts leaving his gaping anus and he's very proud of the fact.
he wants you to know so that you feel inspired to better yourself. its called feminism |
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Haha, a few days ago you were being annoying, but I like you today. And your political rants. Honestly though this thread is making my brain hurt. Remember when white trash knew it was white trash and was proud of it? |
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well then you're gonna have to start telling women with certain health conditions, genetic disorders, problems with substances or poison, over 35, diabetic, with hiv, drug addictions, diabetes, obesity or even women who live in very polluted cities not to have babies? You're gonna have to try and stop them and control their diets, activities and stress levels? Because all of those things are dangerous, a lot of them more dangerous than smoking. A woman not being able to quit smoking during pregnancy is not the same thing as a mean child abuser, you gotta be out of your mind to even imply that. next thing you'll say women who feed their children junk food should be punished? Also, I think what you're implying is very insulting towards Satan. |
Your posts are like being showered in cacophonic diarrhea.
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well by that logic knox you shouldn't tell someone not to walk across a bridge that is about to collapse because "there are many other dangerous bridges and you would also have to tell them not to walk straight off the cliff instead of even walking onto the bridge."
its not about telling people things, its about saying things for the sake of the truth value they have in themselves. so yes, i would hope all women know that all those things you listed are dangerous to their pregnancies. and i would hope if they somehow didn't know and laboured under the assumption that these things were not dangerous someone would tell them. |
spread rep etc. genteel
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more importantly, why do you feel so strongly about telling people how to live their lives? |
it would be a mistake to infer that i feel particularily "strongly" about this.
and the rest of what you said is fucking stupid aswell. |
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