Get along to the Bristol show. Give us a shout if you're going. I think it's not K. Salvatore, I've a feeling they're a different band... still, if it were, that would be most exciting.

The Thekla is a club on a boat, it's great, they've got a new PA in recent years. Nice and loud. I know one of the support acts, should be a very good show.

Envious if you do, but I can't be far behind. I have about 30 Haino albums, including most PSF Fushisusha and the paratactile one.

Have you heard the recent one, artwork by S O'Malley? It's 2-CDs, one electronic gizmos and things, the other hurdy gurdy. It's an absolute blinder. It doesn't seem to want a name though.

Thanks for that, Live Skull seems ok, but nothing special.


Yeah, I heard Nattering... yesterday and it came across as something that needs further investigations.


Wow, that's beyond amazing. As far as I know, you might win.
I don't have that much Circle albums, about 12 plus one 7". There's a lot more to go.

I don't have a single Circle album (downloads NEVER count), but I have seen them live. Very good live band.

Even though they are far from being a band that i enjoy regularly,i love the hour long version of 'Pink lady lemonade' on the compilation below:

yeah, i thought that one was ok, but not a stand out. i'm curious for this new 2CD sitar orchestra one, i should order it before it sells out.my favourite recentish haino record is Next Let Us Try Changing The Shape

i've probably got about 30 haino records too, 12 of which are these fushitsusha records:

untitled
PSF - PSF 3/4

untitled
PSF - PSF 15/16

"Hisou" (Pathetique)
PSF - PSFD 50

"The Caution Appears"
Les disques du soleil et de l'acier - CDSA 54039 -

"A Death Never To Be Complete"
Tokuma Japan Communications - TKCF 77014 -

"The Time is Nigh"
Tokuma Japan Communications - TKCF 77015 -

"A Little Longer Thus"
Tokuma Japan Communications - TKCF 77020 -

"The Wisdom Prepared"
Tokuma Japan Communications - TKCF 77021 -


"Withdrawe, this sable Disclosure ere devot'd"
Les Disques Victo - VICTO 060

I saw it! That which before I could only sense...
Paratactile -- PLE1106/07-2

Origin's Hesitation
PSF -- PSFD 8010

It was eternity that reached out first...
PSF -- PSFD 8016

Wot, no Gold Blood?

PSF 3/4 & 15/16 are 'live' 1 & 2, no?

I thought Gold Blood was far less essential than 15/16.
It sure was nice to have an inexpensive domestic release by them, though, and I still like it.

gold blood tends to go for a heftyish whack on ebay now, or at least the few copies i've seen have (£40 approx). i'm more intersted in getting the the 2CD on blastfirst, the one on avant, or most of all the soul's true love boxset.

yep live 1 & 2 are psf 3/4 & 15/16 i just copied and pasted that list of titles from a haino discography, blame them.

You're kidding!
Wow, I bought that for nine dollars!

No blaming to be done, I just had a brief palipitation at the possibility of records I wasn't aware of being out there.

Gold Blood does indeed go for an arseload of money now. Buy cheap, sell high, that's my motto. Although, obviously, I wouldn't be stupid enough to sell any Fushitsusha records.

yeah, even the few i don't really like i wouldn't sell. just incase.

anyway, i expect you've probably seen this, but if you haven't there an extensice haino discography at this site http://poisonpie.com/sounds/haino/

Indeed I have seen it. But thankyou anyway. It's a great site for those psf records that refuse to have any discernible information regarding the album title/ players on the record.

Out of curiousity, what's your fave Haino record (excluding fushitsusha)?

I'm going for Nijuima or the duo with Shoji Hano.

Actually, looking at that discography, I really should invest in his thing with Boris. And the Faust album he's on.

Curses, I thought I was doing so well with Haino, and there's still bloody thousands of the buggers to buy.

*Edit: Bollocks. There's loads of great records out there. I forgot the solo acoustic one and the Kan Mikami one. In fact, the majority of them are ace. Apart from affection, which I never got into.

me thoughts:

mouthus: yes, slow gloves is very awesome, totally worth getting; the first one is a little more unfocused but still packs a good punch. the new one, the long salt, i recommend highly.

man is the bastard: i've heard very little but i can say they are very good.

born against: i could never get into them, to me, they are too generic, especially when people compare them to angel hair and antioch arrow, which can't be further from the fact. i recommend you check out life's blood, which is one of the dude's from born against's band before ba, it's way better in my opinion.

high rise: ohh my god!!! they rule!!! also, mainliner and musica transonic worth checking if you get into hr.

wooden wand: contrary to what has been stated, they are not the epitome of lameness in the underground (there are things a million times worse), they go from pretty cool background music to ok explorations. xiao and darkness on the edge of town and l'un marquer... are pretty cool. flood is supposed to be really great but i haven't heard it.

bardo pond: it's been said but bufo alvarius, amanita, LAPSED and, for a mellower sound, dilate; actually, try and check out their not so available stuff like their vol. series (there's a compilation of their volumes 1 thru 4) since their experimental stuff shines as much as the official albums.

isis: get oceanic, then proceed. some people don't like the doomier early stuff, and some don't like their cleaner evolution on their panopticon album, but some do. i know i do.

anaal nathrakh: i heard domine non es dignus and i can't say i loved it, i might give it a second chance, but to me it was kinda like bland, keyboard-driven black metal, not too good.

polvo: today's active lifestyles!!!

cccc: very good, i only have cosmic coincidence control center and i'm told it's one of their worse albums, but it's really great.

front 242: dancy 80's industrial like nitzer ebb, front line assembly, skinny puppy, etc. except skinny puppy are way better than any of those bands, since they always had an edge and never tried to go for a hit single.

pissed jeans: not very impressed, sounds like the bulk of mid 90's amp rep records.

mountain: are we talking leslie west's mountain from the 60's/70's? then i've heard some good stuff, very boogie oriented hard rock from the era, kinda like cream but more rocking.

nurse with wound: haven't heard enough to really recommend.

throbbing gristle: same as nww

saccharine trust: interesting post punk band from sst, pagan icons is short but sweet, sort of like wire, gang of four (minus the funky bassist) and the fall but with a bit more edge.

tar babies: i have the mastertapes compilation where they appear, they are cool but not earth shattering; midwestern hardcore.

meat puppets: meat puppets II is awesome; i just got into them.

discharge: hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing

blind idiot god: s/t, which is all i've heard so far, it's awesome.

smegma: nattering naybobs of negativity

redman: kinda lame rapper

pelican: the fire in our throats will beckon the thaw!!!

borbetomagus: barbed wired maggots

peter brötzmann: machine gun

vibracathedral: versatile arab chord chart!!

ash ra temple: 1971's s/t (i haven't really gotten into them yet) you can download it here (you'll need to search for it): http://8daysinapril.blogspot.com/ (hurry because this blog is about to be shut down)

fushitsusha: t&b is definitely the expert here.

amon düül II: yeti and tanz der lemming

loop: anything you can get, definitely worth it!

ride: nowhere

serena maneesh: i really don't see why people like this band, very second rate shoegazer reenactors.

black flag: get damaged first, then the first four years compilation, then my war, then proceed at your own risk.

mission of burma: definitely start with vs.

butthole surfers: in my opinion, get locust abortion technician and go backwards, ignore everything beyond locust abostion...

khanate: they are not that groundbreaking and definitely very dificult to get into. things viral seems to be their masterpiece.

HOLY SMOKES!! Check out this site if you're interested in Krautrock, its a goldmine.

Are you serious? Just go to yr local indie store. I know the one in my city has some of their stuff. Even though I live in a tiny city with nothing in it.

And if all else fails, just download it from the internet.

yeah, adII's yeti is in there too.

i really like Next Let Us Try Changing The Shape a lot, and Koko is great, as is the collaboartion with COA and the one with jean-francois pauvros.

which nijiumu record his that, his solo one or nijiumu - era of sad wings?

i've never heard affection, but it always gets sited as being one of his best solo records, what's it like & how come you don't like it?

I think Haino looks especially womanly on the cover of Affection.

I have alway wanted to hear that collaboration haino did with COA, but I can't find it anywhere. Would anyone want to share it?

Nijiumu - solo. It sounds solo. It's an exceptionally black sleeve. Not even the silver PSF info on the spine. The plastic case it was in at sound323 (AKA my favourite rekkid store) had Nijiumu on it. It's a percussion/ hurdy gurdy thing. My ex thought it sounded like a lot of cats dying underwater in slow motion.

Affection... It's one long, fairly sparse track. It seems to go in waves, more like a song-cycle than an improv thing. It's pleasant enough, but more than any other album I get the impression the lyrics are really the important thing. And, like every good Englishman, I speak not a jot of Japanese.

PM me this eve and I'll YSI it for you if you want.

I think i have that one.You can read fuck all on it.

I'm torn on the subject of oblique packaging. When Franciso Lopez/ Haino do it, I admire the artwork as ultraminimalist expressions common to the music. I really like that label that put out the Sachiko M/ Toshimaru Nakamura duo (amongst others) where the packaging is pure white. A lot of the time, however, it does my nut when it's some cdr from nowhere. I often wonder why they do it. With Haino particularly I have a section in the record collection devoted to him. It's easy to find his stuff. With a cdr without information I have to actually look at the sleeve and decide to listen to it. Which mean, given that I usually choose my listening by spine, I rarely bother to listen.

Anyone else have any opinions, or even care in the slightest?

My cds are so disorganised at the moment I mostly listen to stuff which is piled in front of me on my desk which is mainly the stuff I have bought recently but also includes things I have remembered and pulled out to listen to and not bothered to put away. Then I have some shoe boxes on my other desk in no special order except one which has mostly cdrs and stuff in odd packaging and then I have one of those big case things with about 150 cds in with no cases. But it's mostly stuff piled around my monitor which sounds like a small selection but it's probably about 50-75 cds.

thanks, but i don't have enough space on my hard drive at the moment for more music, sadly. i'll buy it sooner or later though.


haino had a group called nijiumu, i think they put out two records, of which i have one, this:
era of sad wings



and then he put out a solo record called nijiumu too, which sounds like the one you have.



on the suject of CD of oblique and minimal packaging, what irritates me are the london improv type sleeve where it's just a plastic case with slip of paper saying who is playing, or CDs that just have this typical 90s graphic design aesthetic where the sleve is pale grey with a one photo of an ordinary looking modern building, it's a completely different kettle of fish than a haino CD (the psf ones at least) where you can see they've been very selective about the weight and quality of the paper, the type of ink, the printing process, it's obviously all thoughtfully considered.

Yeah, the design of Withdrawe... is clearly somewhat inept whereas Allegorical Misunderstanding which wasn't a psf release I believe, stands out in its favour. And that's not probably even among the best haino covers (I haven't seen or felt others).

How's Lost Aaraaf? I haven't yet got around to check that material out. Is the Live one (on PSF) worth hearing?

And what's this then?

did haino play as part of sunn o))) at victoriaville?!

i heard some lost aaraaf a few years ago but i remember not being particularly impressed, it's haino's band from the 70s, i can't remember what it sounded like though. i haven't been particularly impressed by any of haino's 70s/early 80s stuff yet though.

The idea of 19 year old keiji haino is almost inconceivable.


At least nothing on victoriaville site indicates that they did perform together. I was going to ask what would you think about it if such event ever happened, but wasn't sure if they had done it already..

completely, he's one of those guys like sun ra who it is impossible to imagine being caught up in such mortal trappings as aging, growing up, having a family or any relatives, getting married or having kids. etc.

Yesyes yeses yeseyeseesyes.

On a similar note, the Mego sleeves were great for a while, but too many people seem to be trying to borrow the company design now.

Haino wasn't ever 19. It's a lie. He's always existed, surely?

I can imagine him playing with Sunn. I can imagine it being a very, very loud thing indeed. Wouldn't be that different from the Boris set I assume (having yet to hear the Boris set).

TELEVISION

We have a Fred Frith box set from 1981 at my work; live Japanese shows, Japanese pressing (I would buy it but it's too expensive for me). It has a booklet inside that shows Fred with Keiji Haino back then. Haino looks exactly the same!

Dare I ask how much?

It's 90 dollars.
It's the cheapest one on the web that I could find (last time I checked), but even with my employee discount I am not in the position to pick that one up.
I did give it a listen though. Thoroughly enjoyable.

Ah, not too crippling then. I don't have enough Frith to warrant a box-set (or perhaps that's the wrong way round?) but perhaps in time I will. I've still got my eyes on the TG24 box set though. I'm not saying where it is in case any other bugger's looking for it.

Original attache case?
Fucking A!

most independent shops in london have it behind the counter. i've got my eyes on the recent albert ayler box, the art ensemble of chicago 67/68 box and guided by voices suitcase box

Ah yes, the Ayler box. I have that.

Alright, so I haven't, but you were jealous for just a little second there, weren't you?