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sinatra was a crooner, a standards singer, who sang a variety fo songs, but he was a complete and total popular music singer. he was NOT a jazz singer, and he was NOT an R&B singer

sebadoh - listen to smash yr head on the punk rock, harmacy, bakesale, bubble & scrape and tell me that gloriously noisy shit ain't rock man.

as for your Lennon comment, the songs you mention were written after the beatles broke up, so they count nothing towards what I said about John rocking the Beatles. and his Spector produced album was ROCK SONGS man! Buddy Holly? Chuck Berry covers? How can you be so ignorant as to call that pop?

War war is stupid
And people are stupid
And love means nothing
In some strange quarters

We're an American band
We'll come into your town
We'll help you party it down...

when there's lightning
you know it always brings me down
cuz it's free and I see that it's me
who is lost and never found.

Sly old slaver know he's doing all right,
You should-a heard him just around midnight...

I'm going to disagree with this, for a few reasons - mostly around the ambit of what Adorno understood by the avant-garde (which still holds true today) and what the lay (i.e., wrong) conception of the avant-garde is. The avant-garde is not synonymous with 'serious' music, but it's often the easiest way to understand it (although I'm pretty sure Adorno had quarrels with 'radicalism').

1. Sonic Youth have conventional song structures. They may bend and distort the shape of a pop/rock song, elongate passages, use 'unconventional' (in and only in the rock context) melodic ideas, but they invariably return to what is, if we don't want to say 'pop', a conventional song-structure.

2. Adorno, and I, would say that a conventional song-structure is not the same as serious music.

3. Adorno hated jazz for its consecration of various compositional rules and its use of improvisation. Sonic Youth, if they ever aspire to move away from pop/rock (whether they succeed or not), would aspire to jazz over classical (i.e., they err towards improvisational rather than compositional forms).

4. Adorno couldn't abide Stravinsky. I forget precisely what he said about Stravinsky, but I seem to recall it revolved around Stravinsky's 'patchworking' of art, as opposed to Schoenberg's more 'complete' serialism; whatever the case, if Stravinsky isn't considered 'serious' by Adorno, you can bet your white ass that SY won't be.

These are all minor points, and I'd like to point out that Adorno is probably my most loathéd of Cultural Theorists; however, while I disagree with a lot of what he says, and I think it's not a very necessary distinction to make, within the context of 'rock/pop' vs 'serious' music, SY definitely sit on the side of the former. The point being that if you wish to make the distinction, you're more than welcome to, but be careful with it. By way of analogy, while the Beatles had a great many melodic inventions and [faux-]compositional ideas, they are only 'radical' or avant-garde within the context of rock music. Outside of this context, which is to say, insofar as Western 'classical' (in its broadest sense) music endeavours to encompass, or formalise, musical notation totally, rock music has very, very few inventions which fall outside of the initial remit of the Romantic era of music, let alone those of the Neo-Classicism, the first/ second 'avant-garde' or the more recent movements of musique concrete, stochasticism or spectralism. Electricity & volume, I'm afraid, don't cut the mustard.

Yeah. These are all words, all of them.

I don't want you to think that I'm picking on you, but this oft-aspired to notion of 'authenticity' within the sonic-realm of 'rock' music confuses me for the simple reason that anything amplified or, following a great deal of the studio inventions of the 40s (in the Cageian narrative) or early 60s (in the pop/rock narrative), recorded is, in some respects 'synthetic' insofar as it is not 'as the instrument truly sounds'. By this I mean that 'synthetic' or 'authentic' are essentially non-sequiters of an identity-ism that blights the auspices of the 'truth' narrative to which such arguments aspire/ rely upon.

God, I'm talking a world of shite this evening. The first tape I bought was a Bros one, by the way. When will I be famous, seeing as you asked.

Uh, yeah, whenever I start seeing words like "sonic-realm" and "identity-ism"... I know I've just got to ask that person when he's going to be famous.

sinatra SANG jazz and r&b songs, he wasn't an jazz or r&b singer.

i've listened to all of them, it ranges from subpar dino jr to hippie bullshit. just because lou doesn't give a fuck about singing in tune doesn't mean it rocks.

my point of mentioning those songs was that, since they were written for his solo albums, it was undeniable that he had a huge pop sensitivity.

besides, chuck berry was pop and so was buddy holly, they sold millions of albums and were constantly on the radio, wrote singles and had catchy choruses.

chuck berry and buddy holly were POPular, but most definitely NOT pop music. chuck berry is ROCK N ROLL personified.
Buddy Holly was rock and country, rockabilly personified.

lik I said, different definion of "pop"

At this point, I'd like to request a group hug.

chuck berry is GOD

Then God is an asshole.

I'm always up for some of that. Seconded!

OF COURSE God is an asshole! Have you looked at the world around you ever in yr life man???????? ;)

Yes, I have, but I thought I was living in a world without God.

you are.

Awesome, I had no idea they were known outside of the Australian local scene, just out of curiosity where did you hear about them?

There's some stuff from the 80s that I would have just considered as normal and wouldn't have thought was fun at the time but when they play now has '80s groovy' & funny appeal to me when I hear it played somewhere, like MC Hammer or something, just cause it's something that brings back memories of the decade and because that style isn't done anymore now but it was seen as really funky back then. But yeah Mariah Carey will never have that appeal!

Boney M! My parents had a tape of theirs and played it the whole time on a car trip to Switzerland from Croatia and back when I was 4! It still brings me nightmares just in a 'had to listen to it for days on end' kind of thing!

And Duran Duran are great!

The first album i've bought with my money (oh well, with my mother's money) was a Michael Jackson bootleg cassette. It was some kind of bootleg single with xeroxed covers and typewrittered fictional tracklist. In fact it was just one song repeated for 30 minutes on one side and another repetead for 30 minutes on second side. I remember i was very dissapointed.

The second one was a bootleg copy cassette of Queen's Innuendo which i've bought as a replacement of Dr. Alban's Look Who's Talking which i've never found (Thank God :D). I still have the cover from this cassette. It was a RACKS blank (a very common cassette brand name those days in my country), with hand-written songs (how could i have payed for something like that :| )

The next one i remember (i still have it) was Megadeth's Countdown To Extinction. It was some kind of x-mas present. Some relative (my aunt as far as i remember) gave me and my brother money to buy some cassettes from the local store as a x-mas gift. I bought Megadeth's album (cause i liked the cover) and my brother bought Metallica's Black Album (which by the way, had a red cover, with a metallica picture glued on it)

After that, because i really liked Metallica's album and i couldn't find any other Megadeath album i've bought Metallica's ...And Justice For All (which i've enjoyed for a long time). Sadly i don't have the cassette no more...

In 1994 my father taped for me Nirvana's Unplugged performance, at the end of a Basic Instinct VHS tape. I still have the VHS, but my VHS player gone in flames and i haven't replaced it. After that i've bought Nirvana's In Utero on cassette which i've recorded Nevermind over, cause my father bought me from Tokyo other more good-looking version.

i still say, you kids have it too easy these days!!!

I previously owned albums but the first 5 albums I saved up for and bought with my own money began when I was 12 in 1979:

The very first I bought was Parallel Lines by Blondie.

And then:

The Pleasure Principle - Gary Numan.

Kings Of The Wild Frontier - Adam & The Ants.

Destroyer - Kiss.

Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars - David Bowie.

I was probably 13 when I bought Jacques Dutronc's Double Disque d'Or in a supermarket, for I had liked his scopitones on television. A double album was attractive cause it contained more music. So there.

Next one was another compilation, by the Kinks, titled Collection, with a wonderful cover.

Then I dived into music that had been recorded less than 15 years before my buying the record, and got that Duran Duran record portrayed above, plus Seven & the Ragged Tiger - which I couldn't listened to these days.

After those, it's quite blurred, my guess is some Nina Hagen.


I've regularly got back to the Kinks.
Mostly when my later records began sounding disappointing.
Then I try to move on to things related to the Davies brothers - artists who would have covered a few of their songs, leading me to British garage rock, and expanding from there (the way I expanded my love for Sonic Youth buyig Dino Jr, Pussy Galore and so on... til the mid 90s).

That's more than right, my man. I remember my older brother copying smuggled Depeche mode LPs from Germany (it was still communism here in the 80s!) over and over all around the city, so that the 1000th copy got almost inaudible.

Now it's all just click and order it/download it. No passion involved.

the 6th album I bougth was KISS's DESTROYER

man I was into kiss when I was pre-teen

>> I was probably 13 when I bought Jacques Dutronc's Double Disque d'Or <<

Very underrated French pop artist.

Pleased and surprised to see him mentioned. His Et Moi Et Moi Et Moi single remains a 60's classic.

green day- dookie
offspring- smash
rancid- lets go
pennywise- about time
fugazi- repeater

i bought those five around the same time in 1995 (i was 13). i hated music until i heard green day a few months beforehand. i still have dookie but i never listen to it and fugazi turned out to be one of my favorite bands.

my black album tape was purple-ish and had a snake drawn over and some bold rub-on letters spelling "metallica", both in bright white.

most people love music until they hear green day!

well i hated it until the age of 12/13. i did love nintendo music though. kids would ask what kind of music i liked and i would only say mario brothers.

man, u should check out dj scotch egg then....

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