Typical of a deluded Marxist, can't stay awake reading proper grown-up debate :rolleyes:

CLUSTERFUCK

Just in case this might have been directed toward any of my comments.
When I use the word Israel I mean the State of Israel - its government and governmental institutions. Any disparaging remarks were aimed at the vicious idiots running the country, not the ordinary Israeli people.

cool, everyone knows they're controlled by vampire nazis who live in the hollow earth at the North Pole

I'm just ready to argue anonymously with anonymous people at every moment!

no, the Israeli pirates shouldn't have illegally boarded the vessel in the first place, and if some Israeli commandos tried to illegally enter my house or my boat, I'd probably get shot defending myself against those assholes too.. after all, think about, lets keep it simple, if the Israelis already broke international law by taking the vessels captives, what would make the protesters believe they were safe? After all, the Israelis ended up opening fire and killing several, so are not the protesters justified in their reactions to the Israelis? Why should they have automatically trusted the Israeli military simply because of a veil of legitimacy? Even legitimate governments, shit especially legitimate governments often kill people without cause, and I would have done the EXACT same thing as the protesters, as I would have honestly and openly feared for my life the SECOND those commandos stepped on board. At that moment, all bets are off and Israel was clearly the aggressor.


yes, but if the commandos had no business doing so, and we therefore completely untrustworthy after breaking several international laws, why should the protesters be labeled stupid, I think courageous is more apt description. Just like black folks shouldn't have ever stepped up against Jim Crowe out of common sense, or perhaps we should have left Hitler alone eh?

fucking exactly.

"Free thinkers are dangerous."


"I'd go against a tank with a shank for my dreams, and that is my fucking word."

fucking exactly.
"too all those weeping pirates, whoa your words shall fall on deaf ears now.."




It is actually, but people like you are the biggest mind fucks of all, and how America got itself into those wars in the first place.

American jews aren't the problem, its the warmonger american christian zionist lobbyist interest that are the problem.. There are more of these backwards, ignorant and hateful fucks in the world than there are citizens in Israel.


maybe they should have stayed off the ship? If I break into your house, and you attack me, it does not give me the right to kill you, more than likely it means I should leave your house. While I had sympathy for the burglar who was shot dead in a backyard in texas by an elderly man who shot him in the back as he was running away, this is far different scenario.

I just wanted to highlight this bit. People will very often mention the Jewish influence on America - which is not insignificant - but there are plenty of hatstand Christians doing the rounds that actually believe that they can force the second-coming by control of the Holy Land. And the madder sorts of Christianity seem to be a very major force in the States.

There is a minimal jewish interest in America, the lion's share of pro-Israel lobbyists and activists are entirely in the Christian category, folks who believe it is their God-given duty to support Israel and especially Zionism. These pseudo-Christians (ironic as Christianity has traditionally been even violently at odds with Jews) are fanatically zionists, radically opposed to any compromise, and completely unrealistic and uninformed about the actual realities of Israel and its neighbors. Most hardcore, rightist Zionists from the Israeli government are tame puppies compared to the beliefs proposed, paid for and lobbyed by this silly americans :(

that, unfortunately, is true

This analogy is wrong, a more correct analogy would be the burgler started shooting at the people while they were asleep, broke into the house, and then shot the residents who began defending themselves, but then the police arrested the residents and blame the situation on them; after all, the burgler was simply defending himself. Oh, and the US won't take a position on this.

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It’s highly unlikely that those on board the ship will be able to discuss what took place anytime soon – because 487 of them have been arrested and imprisoned in Israel, with 48 others being held at Ben Gurion international airport awaiting deportation.
“Israel is holding the detainees under severe media censorship and actually cut off from the outside world, ensuring no contradiction of its version of Monday’s events,” reports Press TV.

what is interesting is the dichotomy this presents. Eastern Christians tend to be virulently anti-Zionism, and have had a rather positive relationship with muslim powers since the Crusades (after all, the Westerners real motivation was to seize and dominate Constantinople and the Balkans, not jerusalem). Further, Eastern Christians, aside from the past 30 odd years, have had the largest and most significant presence both socially and politically in Palestine area for a long long time. In Orthodox, we are opposed to Israel, and we are not brainwashed into believing that this pseudo-Israel is somehow the same Israelites of the bible, and we do not necessarily believe that this is some kind of messianic fullfilment of prophecy, rather we call it as we see it, bullshit politicks.

just in the news: repuke representative eric cantor demands that obama "stands up for israel"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/cantor_to_obama_stand_up_for_i.html?hpid=opinionsb ox1

similarly, ny representative anthony weiner defends the attack on the flotilla

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...ly_defend.html

one republican, one democrat.

the israel lobby is on overdrive today

i'm waiting for charles krauthammer to start yapping on the subject

oh, and now egypt opened the border with gaza

bibi netanyahu: utter dumbfuck who shoots himself in the ass

ps- only 4 turks dead after all. other 20 wounded. still, clusterfuck.

I been praying for that for so fucking long, unfortunately we'll see how long it takes for Egypt to again cave to the pressure of Israeli fighter jets :/

hilarious

speaking of dumbfuck moves, how does air conditioning fluid end up in the drinking water pipes?

dateline June 1
About 80 kids from a Queens elementary school had to be bused to local hospitals yesterday [YESTERDAY WAS MEMORIAL DAY NO SCHOOL] after drinking water tainted with chemicals from the school’s air conditioning units.
Officials said kids from PS 20 in Flushing started complaining about stomach aches after drinking from school water fountains. At least two kids reported vomitting.
Department of Education spokeswoman Marge Feinberg said a contractor had been called into the school earlier in the day to make repairs to the air conditioning system and that some chemicals may have gotten into the water supply.
She said the school "immediately shut off the water and provided students with bottled water."
Stricken children were put on city buses, accompanied by EMTs and school staff, and taken to hospitals for observation. By late afternoon, 20 had been treated and released, fire officials said.
Parents were called and notes have been sent home, Feinberg said.

i have no idea but i'd put that in another thread. not that i'm a board cop or anything (or a Federal Board Inspector), but it's kind of random for it to appear here.

I'm sure that the american christian zionists would love for nobody to know who's behind the wheel. they've been trying to stack the cards in favor of prophecy since the very fucking beginning.

not too long ago, a group from colorado packed up, moved to israel and was subsequently caught with a large cache of weapons and detailed plans to blow up the temple mount (the final hurdle between now and armageddon).

THOSE are the people that bear watching, not "american jews".

there's such a deep strain of antisemitism in america that there's NO FUCKING WAY that the "jewish lobby" has as great of an impact as is always attributed (but it's awefully easy to throw out "omg the jews control everything).

CHRISTIAN FUCKING ZIONISTS, PEOPLE.

KNOW YR ENEMY.

shhh..


Freemasons run the country..