pavement rules all! fuck BECK!

I have never understood the Fall references... and I've only just now heard the Television reference, which is even more ridiculous..
The only songs I can think of that sound REMOTELY like The Fall inspired it are Two States, and I guess Conduit For Sale. Maybe some random jam songs from other albums, but.. .no, doesn't make sense.

That is one thing I thought about actually. And the fact that a lot of these bands have newer audiences has something to do with it too I'm sure.

well it depends, i think it might be allright.

but what really pisses me off about reunions is that the shows are like never in holland so i cant see them so i get fucking jelous.

i need some mbv tickets. i dont care if this is not about pavement.

You need some Mary's Brass Vagina Tickets?

Well I really hear those influences, I've been playing guitar for 16 years and I think as a result I can have an ear for those things.

The Television similarity is more obvious when you listen to their S/T.

everyone has influences. nothing wrong with that. 90% of pavement's output sounds nothing like the Fall whatsoever, especially after gary young left the band.

Comparing Pavement to The Fall is wrong, wrong, wrong. You ought to be severely deaf even if your ears tell you otherwise, not to say that it is virtually impossible to be acceptably influenced by the The Fall, because there isn't even a point in being influenced by them, or is there? Critisice them all you like, but at least they are like no one else.

To me, Television were a band that executed, esp on tape.They had a certain musical excellence that they strived for. Pavement did not. SM wanted more chaos and random accidents that sounded cool, at least early on in my mind. Television was much more thought out. Those dual guitar patterns and harmonies and what not. I play guit too for about the same exact frame of time as Curtain. love both bands, but they really dont sound much alike.

I can get through guitar hero 3 (on easy) and I think that the Fall eats a giant bag of dicks compared to Pavement.

oh yeah beck sucks too.

and mark e smith's mouth looks like a seeping chancred whore anus.

It does.

I have heard from people who followed them for a long time that they were actually great for a very long time, but that their -ahem- "lifestyle" has taken its toll at this point.

I never really liked Pavement (apologies to truncated).

I could never get into the Pixies, they kind of bored me. Pavement, well haven't given them much of a listen so I can't comment. I don't get why all the hostility towards cantanky? She was just expressing her opinion.

I love(d) The Pixies very much and I still do. I can also totally see the point of people who find them irritating because they can surely be, just starting from FB's voice. The Pixies fit into this thread perfectly, with the exception that Pavement are really irritating while the Pixies are mainly irritating only because of FB and his voice. Maybe not just because of that. I'm so crap at indie now.

:p silly silly...

Get over telling me what I should and shouldn't do.

It's funny that you praise Dino for keeping the buzz down and bringing in the hardcore fans, and then assume that I was saying that bands shouldn't make any money at all or at least not a reasonable amount.

Agreed.

I don't see a Television influence in their sound either. I could maybe hear it in something like Range Life, but that's about it.

In regards to a Pavement reunion, as much as I love everything they've done, they aren't a band that strikes me as a "must-see live act." I'm not even sure if I'd be all too excited if they released a new album either.

Dino were great when I saw them too. The big drawback was it was the venue's opening night and they gave away like 300+ free tickets. (Which I didn't know about until they were all gone, so I had to pay for mine.) So, there was about 300 people there who didn't know who the fuck Dino Jr were, so they persisted to mosh and throw beer bottles across the crowd for the entire show.

I hate fucking assholes.