I didn't feel like posting all my favorite bands and I didn't think anyone wanted to read a whole long post.

when a musician in their early twenties is disliked by a musician in their fifties, isn't that a sign that the musician in their twenties is doing something right?

no, probably not. still. if i was a bloke that age, in a band with the name sonic youth, i'd be keeping pretty quiet on the age front.

well, i mean, if you've got thurston's track record, i'm sure it's alright.

(at no one in particular and everyone in general)
...poppycock. there is a fuckton of good bands out there currently making new music.

i really don't either.

the fact is though that thurston moore and avril lavigne operate at opposite ends of the spectrum. not so much in terms of age but in terms of their position/role within the industry. pretty much since there's been punk there's been an underground and a pop side. besides, there's a good chance that a lot of people first exposed to punk music via something like sk8r boi eventually went on to get into sy. i thought that, for what they were, her first two albums were great. for thurston to compare her with yoko ono is missing the point of what avril lavigne actually was in the first place.

i think the word you're looking for is "shit"

let go is a fine album, and i'd stand by that statement in any court of law.

I don't think there is a good chance that a lot have gravitated toward Sonic Youth. A good chance that a few, but not a lot. I think a lot would end up more with contemporary punk bands like Rise Against rather than ancient avant garde punk turned alternative pop.

We could make a poll to see how many here were introduced to punk via Avril Lavigne but I think we both know the turn out would be far from a lot.

i'd be surprised if anyone here was introduced to punk music via avril lavigne, to be honest. If you polled the average hot topic shopper though, I'm sure there'd be a fair few (although whether they chose to admit it is another matter). I wouldn't be at all surprised either if some of those have since gone on to buy something like goo.

Next week: Thurston vs. Taylor Swift

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epic satan posting in this thread

not anymore, maybe more than 30 years ago, things have levelled out now, everything that is happening now is pretty easily linked to anything that happened 25 or 30 years ago

Yeah. i'm gonna have to concede defeat on this. I really wasn't being all that serious in the first place so i'm not going to dig myself into an even deeper hole by trying to defend what I said as though I wholeheartedly stood by it to begin with. I'm still a bit bemused as to why Thurston felt the need to take a swipe at such easy targets as Avril lavigne or John Mayer but, yeah.

The internet has made the obscure commonplace, so now there's no excuse to not find out about some band or artist you've only read about or heard of, but not heard.

I can't prove this for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing he did it because he is a fan of pop music, or a certain aspect of the tabloid culture attached to it.

Sure, it's great for what it is. I know I liked it when I was in Jr. High, but why are you spending the time defending it? It's sure as hell not that good and its inane to spend time "defending" pop music when it is both indefensible (because in the grand scheme of music it's generally pointless and purposely disposable) and not in need of defending (because in the grand scheme of everything beyond music, it doesn't matter if it's pointless or not). Plus Thurston's point really wasn't that Avril and Mayer suck, it was that he and Yoko can rock harder than them, which is entirely true and easily observable.

Also, this thread makes me wonder.. does anyone know of any rock bands around now that are doing something really new and fresh? I mean, even the addition of electro shit wasn't new since it had all been done before in the 80's, so I'm at a loss.

i also would like to hear an acoustic record from Mr. Moore...:D

There was a time when i might've agreed with you on that but in recent years at least I just think it'd end up sounding like the stuff he's done quite recently with SY in that kind of vein: stuff like 'Or', which I really haven't liked at all.

I really do believe that the more SY have tried to gravitate towards a more lyric-centred/'mature' styles of songwriting, the more they've shown that the band really lacks a good songwriter. The thing that always drew me to SY in the beginning was their riffs and the overal sonic architecture of their songs. The lyrics were always buried within that and I atleast tended not to take too much notice of them. The more they've been pushed to the fore the more evident it is (to me anyway) that words really aren't SY's strong suit - and maybe Thurston's least of all - and I think that a 'singer/songwriter' style acoustic album from Thurston would only confirm that.

I believe it's Beherit, a finnish black metal band