wolf eyes are horror metal band, not noise.

i thought i'd throw it in there, now that we're talking about dominik.

everyone from sabbath to eyehategod to dio to maiden to even the Melvins are quite theatrical.

the point being that , unlike in punk music, metal and people in metal bands want to be seen s larger than life, "metal gods" in a sense, which is theatrical.

honest to goodness punk bands and many indie bands, especially the old guard, made it a point to NOT be theatircal, to let everyone know that the dudes on stage were JUST LIKE YOU, the dudes in the audience, and that anyone could get up and rock. metal is different in that snese, and that is what I call theatrical.

good musi c is good music though.

reign in blood!

AC/DC and VAN HALEN (w/ diamond dave) always got and get lumped in as heavy metal, when they are not.
what they are is heavy hard rock.

Hmmmmniiiiiceeeeeeee.................

eyehategod theatrical? because they all did heroine or how?

i said "not all", but certainly a good chunk. but most death metal and thrash bands, stoner and doom bands made the point of being exactly like their fans.

i'm certainly not sure how motörhead, mastodon or converge are theatrical.

granted many of these present parallelisms (in motörhead's case) and influence from hardcore punk to strip the shit down, but still; i can't really see someone say a band like megadeth or obituary or kyuss are/were theatrical.

besides, most punks dressed up to call attention upon themselves, even though the line between audience and artists was nulled, lookswise. the only difference between metal bands and punk bands is the "larger than life" persona you talked about.

i agree wholeheartedly with the "good music is good music" part.

Have you seen EyeHateGod live? Have you looked at their ephemera? Their record covers, their shirts, their image? it is highly theatrical, not as extreme as King Diamond or Iron maiden, but just as "theatrical" as Rob Zombie.

motorhead is NOT a metal band.
motorhead is like AC/DC, a hard rocking blues based band.
lemmy hates being called metal and I go with what lemmy says.

megadeth had a GIANT fucking Vic Rattlehead (or whatever their :mascot" is) on stage with them just like Iron maiden and crazy eddie! How is that NOT theatrical?

"as theatrical as rob zombie?" if you judge them by their record covers then, by that definition, black flag, youth of today and sonic youth are also theatrical and therefore metal. i've seen pictures and some videos of them live and they just play their songs.

motörhead are a crossover act, some people consider them metal, other punk, others (lemmy included) consider them rock; the truth is, their music has elements of all these. you can't deny that their music isn't heavy.

and i think it's a stretch saying that just by having a backdrop with a logo is being theatrical. still i get the point for megadeth, replace megadeth in that post with "exodus".

megadeth had an ACTUAL ANIMATRONIC PUPPET man, like crazy eddie

all metal is by defintion theatrical. they are rock GODS. they are larger than life. they are untouchable music monsters )

Alot of bands get cast as 'metal' when perhaps they shouldn't. I put forward that if you consider bands like AC/DC 'metal', you're not necessarly 'wrong' of course, but you're thinking about the music rather than feeling it.

you've just characterized half of the posters on this message board.

trhat's a load of shit.

thinking about music and feeling the music are equally important.

in fact, thinking about it is sometimes MORE important.

A don't know about anything else, but Dio's Holy Diver had me nodding like an idiot in bed last night.

there's a difference between music that makes you think and overanalyzing what genre music belongs in. the former category is the important one. Peace Sells by Megadeath is a song that makes you think (or at least that made metalheads think.) Thinking about whether or not Megadeath is metal, hard rock, etc., is less important.

I fully agree, but for a music lover, thetre is nearly nothing about music tht I do nto enjoy thinking about, and genres, being just the way we humans classify music, like we classify all things (which is a GOOD thing, generally)

i expected to see more variation in answers but it's all acdc, motorhead, iron maiden, sabbath & judas priest. and i don't know how someone could say slayer and metallica aren't metal because they're thrash. wasn't the word thrash just a prefix to the word metal?

Rob, you didn't get what I was saying, at all.

norma j, I was actually responding to the reply thewall91 left.

I completely understand what yr saying. I get a nauseous feeling whenever I hear the slo-jams, and that is before doing any thinking at all.... ha ha

no really, you are right. most of the time, when you hear an AC DC song, then a Maiden song, then a Priest song, then a guns and roses song, then slayer, all those songs, while wildly different, make you feel a certain way, which as n old headbanger, I used to deem METAL

If Slayer and Metallica are heavy metal, then so are The Cure and Killing Joke!

belle and sebastian are twee metal.

Because this thread is non-metal dudes in metal tees.

I don't really expect educated opinions about metal from the Sonic Youth forums, but some of this really is laughable.

wtf????????? is it because the word "heavy" qualifies it? they are so fucking metal.

those are pretty basic questions, atavist, lesbian or benighted don't make me want to dance or define metal, but they sure rule.

besides, i'm beginning to think sy fans don't listen to anything that's not on ecstatic peace, on pitchfork, named dropped by thurston or dinosaur jr.

Outside of the galaxy of metal subgenres, Sonic Youth is the band I probably listen to the most (or have the most releases from...) and enjoy quite a bit.

This board seems to pull from many different segments of the Sonic Youth lover spectrum, and that includes folks who don't know shit about metal, noise, skacore or whatfuckinever.

One thing that unites this board, regardless of chosen genres, is the broad musical snobbery that each and every one of us is guilty of, myself included.

So keep on about the arguments of whether or not Girlschool is metal or not.

It's entertaining.

I might have been a little redundant there.

Whoops.

The last time I felt guilty of musical snobbery , I bought a record of Placebo , then I decided to remain snob.

I stopped listening to metal once I discovered sonic youth in 1988, because 4 geeky looking artsy weirdos shredded their guitars and pummeled me with heavy rock and rocked me out with intensity heretofore never experienced by me, much much more than any metal act I was into at the time (slayer, megadeth, nuclear assault, sacred reich, exodus, metallica, anthrax, testament, etc.)

and swa(y), awesome color suck shit.
and I have seen them live.

I think also that it is prety bild not to notice that most people on this forum listen to EVERYTHING. my record collection ranges from 80's college rock, to punk, tro harcore, to metal, to indie, to every stage of jazz to classical music from baroque to contemporary, to funk, to all sorts of blues, from country to electric blues, etc

many people on here listen to the full spectrum of dance music (not me, but that is a personal preference) or to electronic music, as well as the far reaches of the avant garde in all genres.

and what ISN'T opn pitchfork these days? they cover evrything from folk bullshit to rap bullshit to whatever the fuck grimestep is.

hahahahha!

hell, half the stooges first record sucks ass! BORING!!!!!

There are no sacred cows!

diamond dave!

for real though man, I love me some stooges, but half that first album is BORING, turgid proto-guitar wankery.

half is perfect though.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rob Instigator again.

Like a lot of Gen-Xers, I stopped listening to new 'heavy metal' in the mid '80s when I realised it was no longer heavy metal. Metallica made some great albums, and Venom made some good scary-but-fun ones, but I never considered such bands to be heavy metal per se. Heavy metal, for those of us who grew up on the '70s bands, was more than just an extreme sound--it was also an attitude, and these new punk-influenced (punk-misinterpreted?), thrash-style bands simply didn't have any semblance of that attitude. They were more right-wing, violent and ignorant.

And I certainly never considered all those 'hard-rocking' commercial bands to be heavy metal; they were early '70s-style glam/glitter rock at best--and even then, closer to the sounds of Gary Glitter and The Bay City Rollers than those of Slade and T. Rex! Brighton Rock and Poison put me off so-called 'heavy metal' altogether.

so, deep purple: metal, not metal or "dinosaur jr!!!!!"?

You could listen to all them bands though. Ya know?

Haha. Yeah, I can see that.

I don't really like Awesome Color, but I don't think they're really all that bad. I mean, they really are a "one guitar string at a time Stooges rip-off," i.e., they play more single notes than chords, but I don't think it's too too shabby. Maybe just too shabby.

As for me and Ecstatic Peace, I have only bought 2 CDs from them, and I will probably buy many more, but I'm not really impressed with their portfolio. I mean... sweet. Pagoda... yeah... and Black Helicopter... sweet.

Haha.

To be honest I have always found Heavy Metal to be both highly amusing and totally ridiculous... what with all of the preposterous posturing and the laughable sword and sandal/occult lyrics... and have therefore never been able to take it seriously.

I know that there are exceptions to the rule out there... somewhere.

Can anyone recommend an interesting HM band that isn't riddled with cliche?

the only ones I listen to regularly at all are the first 3 metallica albums, Peace Sells by megadeth

I cannot stand exodus or anthrax or DRI anymore.....