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i understand what tour and personal security are, they just are so rediculous for me that it is hard to comprehend. i suppose you have to feel important somehow. what so they have desks and p.a.'s and things. i thought the music came from the sky and was magic and came out of knowhere. you are talking to someone who has lived with a sound (p.a) man for several years and has toured, plays gigs and puts many of them on and has done for quite some time. and i am talking to a guy with a rather large ego and a silly job that seems to think that because he puts up security barriers knows something the rest of us dont. |
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The whole copyright issue is a mess, It was only on April 6th this year that powers under the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 2002 was given to Trading Standards! Before that it was exclusively a Police matter Attitudes vary from record company to record company and band to band Arctic monkeys who originally based themselves originally on free downloads of their material are now vehemently anti counterfeit in attitude and Muse are just having a huge purge on material on the internet Its a hypocritical the way the industry on the one hand actively courts the internet communities to get bands off the launch pad or use them as free market research and the next minute is vilifying them for doing what they have encouraged them to do in the first place |
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Yr a joke, dude. |
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I put up barriers? Damn I never knew that And if you are know the industry as well asl you say and live with a sound engineer why say p.a. not f.o.h desk? As large as my ego is it pales into insignificance besides your b.s. And if you knew what personal security was why did you have to ask earlier? Let me guess, you were being sarcastic, was that the excuse you were going to come up with? |
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Field recordings could be, perhaps, considered the first example of bootleging activity, and especially in the likes of Harry Smith's recordings of indigenous American music, they are a gift to the world.
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So they dont exist? Damn, the whole industry got it wrong again, including bodies like the BPI All those court cases in the media and restraining orders against stalkers must have been bogus too! The newspapers are in on the conspiracy to keep security personel in unnecessary employment as well as the legal systems of various countries! Now if I could only find Area 51......... |
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Where exactly did I say that? Dont put words in my mouth Putting words in peoples mouths is weird If the owner of copyright material expressly states a person can copy that material its legal If its done without the copyright owners consent its illegal in the UK, and an indictable offence |
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i can hardly type from laughing so much! ok well, we call it p.a because thats what we call it. other people call it the desk, the rig, the speakers, etc etc. we will try and call it f.o.h. thingy from now on. this will raise a smile or two i am sure. and personal security sounds like quite a few things, bodyguard, security guard, bouncer etc. i also said sounds so silly to me. are you suggesting that because someone doesnt call it a f.o.h thingy or know exactly what personal security is then they are not a real 'musician'? i dont make any attempt to try and 'know the industry' personaly i do the things i like and thats that. |
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Would you like me to compile a history of music while I am at it too? Why dont you do your own research and prove me wrong I'll give you a clue, ask any A & R rep from any record company how many artists/bands they can't fund in a year due to financial restrictions Then ask an independant body like the BPI where the music industry is losing money And dont forget the parliamentary sub committees that have examined the whole counterfeiting issue Oh and Trading Standards who prosecute bootleggers/counterfeiters Prove me wrong |
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And earlier you said I wasnt fun to be around! Actually you did imply that you knew the industry personally: Quote:
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The major decline due to piracy has been in the last ten years give or take a year due to changes in technology Not in the days of tape recorders and Sinclair Spectrums As I said check out the BPI and their take on things if you dont like what you hear from other sources |
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Sonic Youth are one of those bands that, musical achievements aside, have also managed to indirectly educate most of their audience to responsably obtain their music the sensible way. I might be wrong, but the average Sonic Youth fan strikes me as an avid record buyer, or certainly not one that is just happy to have a stack of mp3s on their hard drive, and that's that. From what I gather from ThePits' point of view, he deals with another kettle of fish altogether. The existence of many of the bands that he seems to deal with is much more volatile and certainly stamped with the inevitable 'Best Before' seal that comes with their own artistic shortcomings. In that context, it's useless arguing about the artistic or moral attitudes of those bands, but if one has to deal with them on a professional level, they have to accept their existence and the infrastrucure that allows them to make money the way they do. |
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I disagree with the losing money comment but entirely agree with you on the business of music remark Thats what pisses me off about manufactured pop as a safe bet being pushed by record companies due to the fact its instant volume sales and can absorb losses due to piracy where as new artists/bands with new styles of music are far riskier and cannot take the hit |
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i think your interpretation of 'know the industry' is one that is alien to me. i put on shows, i lived with a soundman etc. i also made a lot of sandwiches in my life so i guess i know that industry as well. no one i know uses that phrase because its pretty stupid and the sort of thing silly people say. i dont want to really get involved with the industry is i suppose a better way of putting it because its full of people who say things like 'know the industry' and have more at heart than music. and your not fun to be around, sorry guy but your too serious about it all. |
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RACIST! |
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Nice to see such a well formulated articulate comment |
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But you said I made you laugh? Damn....... There goes that standup spot |
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I am familiar with the term "front of house," but I only hear it used regarding pretty large systems for giant outdoor shows and the like (where there is a separate monitor board and such). You know, the kind of big shows that most of us don't go to what with liking small niche audience bands who don't mind tapers in the crowd. The kind of shows with people who might actually need personal security to keep rabid yahoos away from them.
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Nice use of the term "rabid yahoos" there.
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I may attempt to reward you with rep points for pleasing me so.
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'Tis done.
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i am having a lovely lemsip for my sore throat.
whatever happened to putting on a gig for bands to play and have fun, the audience to enjoy it, have a good time and not pay a huge amount of money on the door and no personal security, bootleg kickings, i know more about this than you do egotism? the gigs i put on are very rarely profitable, any money made goes towards room hire, paying the bands expenses and anything else i had to fork out for. then if any of it is left over i might keep a small amount for myself. there have been times i tried to pay bands and they refused because they just wanted to play. the only real people making anything are the breweries at the venue. i do it because i like the music and isnt that what its about? |
I've always thought the term 'Front Of House' was only used in theatres or in a big big complex for the arts. I've never heard it used in any other envoirement, unless ThePits does stuff in places like the Barbican or the Royal Festival Hall, where they are a whole departmant that work.... front of house.
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Talking of front of house, does anybody remember the fashion for stone cladding?
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Is it PG Tips? |
Yorkshire tea for me. It's the shit, as our less intelligent American comrades would say.
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Yes, we could never bring the world something as sophisticated and refined as, say, Benny Hill. |
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Front of house desks are sited in the center of the venue you are playing, they usually consist of a sound desk and lights You cant get sound right from the desk on the side of the stage as the sound engineer cant hear the speakers properly Razorlight this year used the latest digital desks from Italy which are the smallest I have ever seen About half the size of the usual desks The front of house you are referring to is the old theater term for anything in the public area out front |
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And in return we got Jerry Springer? |
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Touche, my friend, touche. And were it not for Benny Hill, we would not have this piece of comedic genius to entertain us (thanks to Bicorn Halfelven for this link): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehnRt3LaLUc |
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Pardon my ignorance, and English is not my first language, but I'm a little confused. Where I work the mixing desk sits Front Of House, hidden somewhere under the stairs by the stage. I've always heard the sound technicians refering to it as the p.a. or mixing desk that was front of house. I wasn't aware that you actually called it 'front of house desk', unless you had to specifically report where it was located, hence the confusion. |
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krieg kvlt *guy giving creepy smile and raising eyebrows* |
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You are not ignorant its just different names in different places thats why I explained. I think the reason its called the foh desk is so it doesnt get mixed up with the other desk on the stage Do you work in a theatre if you dont mind me asking? |
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this thread is now about chicks.
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I like him. ^
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