i wasnt suggesting that everyone was watching big brother. more that people are apathetic.

Just for you, !@#$%!.

Things about communism:

- It is a system that can only work on an international level. You simply can't have it in one or two countries alone. Regardless of what you've been fed by historians, communism wasn't such a thing in Russia or China.

- In the event of such a revolutionary system taking over the world, people would still have to work at least 3 hours a day, but the difference would be that your role in society would be dictated by your true potential as a human being, and not from what you're pushed to do in order to survive.

- People who don't use money in what still remains a capitalist society ARE NOT communists, but idiots who give it a bad name.

- Communism certainly doesn't imply sharing your toothbrush or house with
strangers, that's an obsolete view brought in by the damage of believing that this system ever took place on this planet.

Very true Sarram

Just to add: There is no real contradiction between Communism and selfishness. If someone feels that THEY will benefit from such a social shift as one brought about by Communism, then that doesn't make them any less of a communist than anyone else.

yes & no. marx predicted the rise of communism only after the triumph of capitalism, so yes russia and china didn't fit the mold. regardless collectivization is a horrid way of life.


my role in society would be DICTATED... who is going to detect my potential? i have a friend who grew up in czechoslovakia and his "true potential" was deemed to be that of a mining engineer. he was sent to engineerig school. he escaped & became a photograher.


no, the kibbutzes (sorry dont know the plural here) were founded by bolsheviks-- they operate as a collective farm. if they earn money on the outside they give their salaries to the commune. the kibbutz itself operates with money but its members do not require it in order to obtain housing, food, medical services, use of vehicles, etc.


i knew this woman who had 2 kids, a boy & a girl in one bedroom. the girl was 14 and the boy 10, which meant that a budding young woman was sleeping in the same room as a little boy. the result was that they fought endlessly. i pointed out the deveopment of the young girl and suggested she build a room where the girl can have some privacy. but because there was no private property, and no internal use of money, she could not build without the permission of the community, nor could she buy it herself. she requested an extra room, but other people protested, "how dare you ask, we have 4 kids in the same room! "

i never want to live in a world like that. i'd rather die in a free market than live under the opression of the herd. at least i get to choose how i die rather than rot under the orders of a committee.

Those are not communists you talk about, they are filthy hippies. The communists i have encountered drive sports cars, like the good life and have generally good sex. Just because you call yourself a bolshevik (the horror) and you live in a pigsty, it most certainly doesn't make you one.

Damn, sarramkrop, enough of the sex talk already. Can't you talk about something else for once? :rolleyes:

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my role in society would be DICTATED... who is going to detect my potential? i have a friend who grew up in czechoslovakia and his "true potential" was deemed to be that of a mining engineer. he was sent to engineerig school. he escaped & became a photograher.




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Again, that IS NOT communism that you're talking about. Your role would be dictated by the very system that encourages your true self to come to the fore.

Communism is, in the end, more an issue of personal pride than it is one of personal sacrifice.

"Communists? I shit 'em!"

I thought that i was the only one mentioning sex on this thread. I was wrong.

i'd highly recommend this book as an impartial, entertaining and readable biography of marx and analysis of his work:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Marx-Fr...8542613&sr=1-2

sarramkrop - Well, dear, don't think that YOU have the monopoly on sex talk round here. Oy vey.

Yours

Melly J Pervert.

ah, except this was not the communism of marx. he looked towards the abolition of the wages system and the disappearance of the state.He envisioned a society of freely associated producers.
What doesn't work is Capitalism, which is dragging humankind into a world of war, the destruction of the environment, a neglect of human values and economic collapse.

That's a brilliant and insightful book. I highly recommend it too.

I enjoyed that book. Another good introduction with a greater emphasis Marx's ideas is:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marx-Great-P...8543734&sr=1-1

This one follows more of the line that Sarram is putting forward.

it wasnt a pigsty. it was nice and dignified. but you had to consult with the fucking mass for every change.

communists driving sports cars? im definitely not surprised. communism has often been a hobby of rich capitalists with bad conscience.

fucking shit, i detest terry eagleton, he's a fucking killjoy. fuck him and his mother for not strangling him in the cradle.

lest we forget, !"£$%!....

Sarramkrop - 100 points

&&**** - 3 points

Come on !@... Not like you to stay on the fence.

ive only spat upon terry eagleton, who is not present, but yet deserves the spit.

the wheen biography looks interesting on the other hand.

are you telling me what to do? communist!! :p

No, comrade. I'm advising you for the sake of the party.

i can see the future... it's a gulag...!
(would you accept a bribe of american cigarettes?)

The Comintern has decided to liquidate this thread, for the benefit of the people. The following posters are traitors to the people....

I can see the future...it's another thread about Billy Coogan.

You'd be surprised how many wealthy people finance such political ventures. Their conscience might be corrupted, but their political ideas tells them that clearly this system doesn't work. For as long as they keep this sort of political activity afloat, who cares?

Billy Coogan? Who is he, some sort of wannabe Bernard Manning?

lol. All this chat of revolution has got my mind off my spelling.

he's the alan partridge of grunge

demonrail666 - Don't worry. The Party is sending you to one of it's re-education camps. Your bourgeois spelling ways will soon be dealt with.

well porkie i'll just have to respectfully disagree. the problem with utopias is that "there is no such place", and dreams turn into monstrosities when implemented. i also like money; of al the exchange methods invented so far it's the one that best balances fairness and convenience. (did you know the modern banking system was invented by socialist st.simonians? but i digress). i like money. it allows me choice. limited, sure, but mine. i am also horrified at the thought of world communism, because there would be nowhere to escape to. at least with he berlin wall there was something on the other side. then there's cuba. swim, swim, swim.

i hope this has not been a gigantic put-on. i am surprise to hear you promoting communism, but anything is possible on the internet.

You think this is bad? He keeps ringing me up every 30 minutes to sell me double glazing :mad:

take it now, and tell him you'll pay back, with interest, in the communist future

I'm not promoting anything here( as if that was a possible thing to do), they are just my political ideas. The fact that you disagree with them is fine and dandy, but the name of the thread is revolution, so i thought that so far we've been having a discussion about it. Of course if your inclination is that of accepting things as they are, you might as well make the most of it, i have no problems with that at all. Cuba is again a dictatorship, so i don't consider it to be a communist country, because like i've posted before, YOU CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE COMMUNIST COUNTRY. Luckily nobody came forward in defence of grand dame of heroism Che Guevera, the most stupid revolutionary man in the history of uselessness.

Capitalism's greatest achievment in sustaining its life has been its ability to provide people with a comfort zone. A revolution won't happen until people are prepared to give up that comfort zone and actually start wondering about what it is that they really want in life. Whether this leads them to embrace a system like Communism is immaterial, but the system we have right now is definitely beginning to show its age.

im starting to feel this has been a huge put-on, to toy with my head. but then again ive been up all night; and with sleep deprivation, paranoia ensues. who knows? i dont know. i want some money now....

the only communist i like by the way is the genius who came up with the slow foods movement. some italian guy i forget his name. slow foods. now we're talking...

A nation of artists and philosophers!

A Philosopher-King meritocracy would be nice until the inevitable corruption turned it into fascism.

The only way to govern is through a representative democracy and an economy based on free enterprise. It'd be great to get one back in America again because without it we will eventually fall on our face due to the schemers that are running this nation into the ground. But that doesn't seem likely in the near future unless We The People take away all repeat terms of major office with a constiututional amendement. The crooks have shown time and time again that they are not really serious about campaign finance reform by repeatedly passing bills that have obvious loopholes.

I agree with !@#$%!. "The Man" will be with us until the planet is uninhabitable.

The ironic thing is that relativity and particle physics has confirmed that all is One and that, here on our planet, the ecosystem is interdependent, yet all political organization still insists on "master-servant" types of relationships with its citizens. This is underlined by the sad fact that a way to a free energy "utopia" for the entire world has already been discovered, but there is too much vested interest for us to ever get there.

Laurie Anderson's new satirical song, "Only An Expert Can Deal With The Problem," addresses this topic subject to astonishingly rousing effect. The track will (I suppose) appear on next year's Homeland album, but she did it live at Lincoln Center on 4/30/07.

excerpt:
Now, who are these "experts?"
An "expert" is a professional problem-solver.
An "expert" is someone who carries malpractice insurance. (gets a big laugh from the audience)
Because often the solution to the problem is...
a problem.


An estimated 60% of Americans are an estimated 1.3 paychecks away from homelessness.