1 Snake Dog
2 Bloodline
3 Demonrail is probably right - i did hear auld big heed no. 2 say he was a fan - but i'm not about to listen to anything other than "it's christmas".
4 Thers's a smidgeon of Mozza self deprecation too which is obvs the best thing this band ever did dun do..
5 in lieu - grammatical police (see fig. 1 & 2 for reasons unknown to alcohol and the mobile phone lack of multiple browsing windows, ahem).
6 Oasis v Blur
7 Oasis...versus...Blur..... Ash?
8 T-Rex
9
10 Never sleep again
11 Graham Coxon OBE SY fan. FOK OV GRAM!
12 Bloc Party. ah uww.

Not wanting to convince anyone of anything, I just love this clip too much to keep it to myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6eTGAvTqTs

Yea yea, stop posting karaoke videos of Noddy singalongs to Oasis b-sides...

What kinds of drugs are you currently taking and do you want to meet up and do them together?

Well this threat derailed itself. Therefore I submit to you this, to lighten the mood

https://youtu.be/FbtWICvTpp4

I can perhaps one-up you:
https://youtu.be/66yH8RZSwUc

hey Severian, maybe you haven’t read an article to really formulate your thoughts on this one, but you’re directly conflating something with being stupid because it emanates from a working-class perspective and is expressed towards working class individuals, which from your understanding would invalidate the fall or indeed pretty much any DIY music.

I know you like to speak in stupid fallacies which you cop from blogs but have a think about what you’re talking about because you constantly make yourself sound like an idiot who talks only in soundbites copped from others more so than you do speak like someone who has actually ever heard a song?

Ugh. Whatever you think, little one.

You really don’t get that I was making a dumb passing comment I didn’t mean, but by all means be offended by it. I seriously don’t care.

Now, back to reading all these “blogs” I have all the time in the world for! “Blogs” I also steal my opinions and comments from, like ....

Nope. I can’t even pretend. Does flipping through Twitter count as “reading blogs”? If not, I have nothing.

Heads up for those who wan to celebrate anniversaries: today (March 15th) is the 20th anniversary of 13's release.

Have been listening to it. '1992' rules.

I always return to Bugman... such a wild ride.

Yah. “Bugman” tears the fuck up. Like schoolboy Stooges on their first PCP trip.

Every song is great. “Trimm Trabb” is britpop shuffle done right, “Caramel” is gorgeous atmospheric bliss, “Trailer Park” somehow still managed to do trip hop right, when it was on a respirator culturally, “Battle” is a space opera.

I’m a “Tender” fan most of all, I think. It’s the song that made me start to think of Blur and Spiritualized as comparable entities, and it does Spiritualized better than Spiritualized was doing Spiritualized at that time. Also, it just kind of announces itself as something special, and makes it clear from the get go that the album is an exponential leap forward for the band.

“Love’s the greatest thing.... that we have.” :D

Is it just me, or is 13 the ultimate album for when you're resigned and sad?

Very relatable! The first time I listened to that album, I was lying in bed in my darkened room, late at night.

I couldn't believe how amazingly good it was, at times mesmerizing and infatuating. It clocks well over 60 minutes, but like a blissful dream, I did not want it to end.

"Space is the place"

Fuck Kid A, 13 is the real left-field masterpiece. I will defend this take to the death.

I'm not being a dick, but what's your narrative when you compare the two records? 13 came out in 1999 and Kid A in 2000. Both records are by white as fuck British pop bands. Both bands are arty in their own way. One of them hugely successful throughout the world, even amongst non-whites, one could say. The other mainly a parochial concern, but still quite popular with European audiences. Just curious.

Show your workings on this one please.

I thought it's a record generally more respected by non-white musicians into electronic music? Do call me out if I'm wrong. I'm here and queer.

Gabba gabba heeeeh?

I’m sorry — Radiohead is generally more respected by “non-whites” or Blur is?

Also, why are you talking about whites and “non-whites”? What significance or relevance does this have to anything?

Not trying to be a dick, honestly, but this is a giant WTF bomb for me.

Here comes trouble.

1999 and 2000 are literally just a year apart.
Both bands were originally hugely different in style just two albums before - Radiohead as conventional alt-rock (The Bends) and Blur as tongue-in-cheek pop (The Great Escape).
Both made an unusual, but well-received transitional record - OK Computer vs Blur's self-titled.
Both feature plenty of electronica, something largely unexpected.
Both may have alienated an old fanbase, but attracted a new one that greatly prefers this (see Severian's dismissal of Parklife*).

*No offense intended; just using you as an example.

I mentioned in an earlier comment that both Kid A and 13, as well as a handful of other albums from a 2-3 year span, have similar themes of disintegration, alienation, anxiety in the face of increased individualism, at the same time a loss of identity in an increasingly mechanised and computerised world, a general kicking against Fukuyama's 'end of history', even a sense of a lost utopian era as conceived by Derrida and Mark Fisher. That's why some have suggested that Kid A captures the zeitgeist of the post 9/11 world, even though it came out beforehand... this stuff was in the air well beforehand.

Would I be uncouth to bring up Gomez in this thread and get some opinions? Kinda curious to this forum's thoughts on them, especially in the comparison contexts in this discussion, ha. I always thought Bring it On was an outstanding debut.

What about Madonna then?

What...

What about Madonna?

I think Kid A and 13 are similar only in that they’re hard-left pivots by established British rock bands. Both records kind of challenge you to like them, and don’t make it easy on people looking for more of what the bands had done before.

I do think 13 is up there with the Kid As of the world.

Paranoiac meditations on electronic era tensions, rendered in song. But what Kid A owed to Aphex Twin, Autechre and Brian Eno, 13 owes to DJ Shadow, Iggy Pop and Spiritualized. (Shrug)

They certainly are derivative albums, but I always find it interesting to hear great instrumentalists like Coxon or Greenwood try to deal with non-guitar genres and ideas.

I wasn’t really pointing out that they’re derivative. I was more contrasting the influences behind Kid A and 13, respectively.

I don’t know that I’d use derivative as a main descriptor for either, actually. Enough of both bands personalities shine through to make the records greater than the sum of their influences.