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is it ok to call myself funk?

I hope so, because I'm funk and I'm proud.

dig it.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

It's also just as easy to get across the point that one is OK with people of other ethnicities without adopting a religion with a fairly hefty Black Pride emphasis and a militant wing, going to an Ethiopian church (more power to you on all this if it works for you, by the way; I'm making no value judgment on your lifestyle choices here), posting numerous run-on sentences peppered with phrases like "The Lion Of Judah" and the like, and claiming there is no "true American folk music because it was all stolen or approriated from the African slaves and their traditions," which is of course a false statement that completely ignores the huge influence of British Isles and other European folksong tradition that travelled over to this country and survived and mutated, even working its way into the black tradition via drum and fife music.

I'd rep you for the longest sentence in the world, but the forum won't let me. :(

After re-reading that, I am painfully aware of the irony of making a dig about run-on sentences in that sentence, so don't bother pointing that out.

it's ok.

I feel ya homes.

I'm just bitter about that aged comment you made earlier. :mad:

I'm older than you, for what that's worth.
Five hundred and one.

I know.

blocking yr kung fu required an attack from a different direction, however.

that's why I fake-repped yr GIGANTIC FUCKING SENTENCE.

:)

anyways.....y'all carry on. I'm going to go count my bingo winnings.

virgins are getting hard to find these days ($$$).

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly

virgins are getting hard to find these days ($$$).

...:)

sorry Danny, virgin females. my palate requires XX chromosomes.

I can't bite yr neck even if you did take me back into time.

affirmative action sure does sound outdated....but so does institutionalized racism, which is never going out of style...anywhere as long as that's the case, something's needed to balance it all out.

i hate the thought of possibly getting a job over a white guy of equal credibility simply because i'm black. i think the situation rises where a decision must be made, put it to a dance contest, that way i wouldn't feel as bad about getting the job.

In your case, you'd be getting the job because you're sexier before you'd be getting it because you're black. We all know it's true, am I right?

Dance contest is unfair, because we all know that black people are all Fantastic Dancers because they have that special inborn jungle rhythm. Every single one.

um i could outstomp (yeah i just made up a word but it seems to fit) anyone in a dance contest so you best watch yourself, boy.

who you callin' boy?

doing the fox-trot doesn't count anymore. you're gonna have to step it up if you want to get on my level.

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Originally Posted by ThePits

I have read them and short of being patronising to another poster here you fail to make any point whatsoever except to repeat the same old "downtrodden" "hard done by" minorities drivel that is insulting to both majority and minority communities globally

Treat everyone the same

It works here

of course i am going to be patronizing when you refuse to acknowledge the existence of my rebuttal to your ideal "if" scenario. disagree all you want, but acknowledge the answer.

if you didn't understand it the first time, i'll spell it out clearly: your ideal scenario is a load of crap, it doen't exist, people are not treated equally, and therefore countermeasures are required. of course val-holla-ing said that better, with more humor and without being patronizing, but he's a lot nicer than i am. i'm just an equal-opportunity asshole.

ok, now it's friday night, i can't stick around for another round obviously, but i'll be happy to continue this match over the weekend.

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Originally Posted by val-holla-ing

doing the fox-trot doesn't count anymore. you're gonna have to step it up if you want to get on my level.

ATTENTION: YOU HAVE JUST ENTERED A BATTLE-ZONE

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

if you didn't understand it the first time, i'll spell it out clearly: your ideal scenario is a load of crap, it doen't exist, people are not treated equally, and therefore countermeasures are required. of course val-holla-ing said that better, with more humor and without being patronizing, but he's a lot nicer than i am. i'm just an equal-opportunity asshole.

and here i thought i WAS being an asshole.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

All I meant by that was that we get it: you don't despise people of African origin or whose ancestors were of African origin. It's also just as easy to get across the point that one is OK with people of other you just don't need to demonize your own kind to get across the point that you don't approve of everything your own race has done throughout its history. All races and cultures have events in their histories that they shoudn't be proud of.

again, ???

I posted this thread, not to identify myself with Africans nor to demonize my own race, but rather to promote this thought provoking documentary"Brazil in Black and White", which I just recently watched.

you sir pulled your own card on this one...

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Originally Posted by ThePits

If you treat everyone equally and give everyone the same education and opportunities why is "positive discrimination" necessary?

What amazes me is "races" or "ethnic groups" always look outwards for the reason they are on skid row rather than inwards

Jobs and positions should be based on a meritocracy rather than some pc assholes pathetic attempt at justifying their own existence in a job

Lets get back to basics, treat everyone the same, and if they fuck up its regardless of race, creed or colour

"Positive discrimination", "affirmative action" or to give it its real name, "racism in favour of minorities" does nothing but breed resentment and insult those in minorities who make a success of their lives on their own merit

Most of you guys who have posted in this thread are either European or American and look at it from a western point of view where the majority are white.

I agree with what you say up to a certain degree, but what's the solution for a country like say, South Africa? The black majority were suppressed during the years of apartheid. They were deliberately kept uneducated, and whites got all the jobs.

The abolishment of apartheid in the early 90's brought hope and new opportunities for the black majority. Affirmative action was implemented to make things fair for them in an all white business environment.

They are now almost 20 years down the line and affirmative action is still going strong. The problem that arises is that it's almost impossible to find a job if you're white these days. Especially white men. The quality of work has deteriorated substantially, and the South Africa's economy isn't getting any better from it.

What's your answer to that? Would it be fair to abolish it in favour of well educated whites who don't stand a chance, or keep applying it for the benefit of unschooled blacks?

I wouldn't know how to correctly answer the poll.