Bloomin' trolls :rolleyes:.

Sun tzu creatted guerrilla warfare/tactics. Used it when he was general of the Wu kingdom empire against the Chu in China. American media sloppiness has made everyone have the wrong impression cuz of our hollywood love of the 'Nam and its myths

Who gives a flying fuck about anyones religion. It is a stupid stupid way to hold someone up for moral judgemnet

Really? When and where? Have proof? Please do show.

I have this quote by him:

“I’m a Christian by choice,” the president said. “My family didn’t -- frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church.”

The president said he “came to my Christian faith later in life and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead -- being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me. And I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we’re sinful and we’re flawed and we make mistakes, and that we achieve salvation through the grace of God. But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace.”

The president said “that’s what I strive to do. That’s what I pray to do every day. I think my public service is part of that effort to express my Christian faith.”

watch him "proudly owning up to"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video...hoice-11755341

The socialism thing? Please read this. The Socialist Party clearly rejects him:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...e-evidence-say

Of course "evidence" does not enter into the mind of those who have made up their minds apriori.


This is completely false: does he fast for Ramadan? does he pray 5 times a day facing Mecca? Has he gone on a pilgrimage to Mecca? Does he reject halloween? http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-31/p..._s=PM:POLITICS . Do they only serve Halal food at the White House? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_811274.html Halal lobster?? Really??? How do you define "Muslim observances"? Do you know what those are, anyway?

Hey, do Muslims celebrate Christmas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOiW6I6L5Kw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcMw76xTV8w

But even if by some rift in the fabric of reality it was true that Obama was a Muslim, which of course he isn't, I didn't know being Muslim was a crime in America and deserved prosecution by the media.

Attention Muslims: hide in your attics before the modern media stops giving you a free pass and the lynch mobs come to get you! In the 30s it was the Jews, now they're coming for you!



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Sun Tzu used a cadre of the Emporer's concubines as his troops.

where is yr atheist god now?

Ha used concubines to show he could teach anypne to fight. And they were like dolemite's original Kung Fu Bitches!!!!!!!

BTW mr roboto, I have always worshipped Crom, silent and uncaring atop his mountain

learning curves become easier to climb once the head loosens from the one to yr right.

I may be mistaken, but I thought I remember Obama gettin some shit cause he made a statement he was Christian and everyone thinks he is muslim? I very well could be wrong it just sticks in my memory for some reason.

never mind I just saw symbol guys response

Why would you expect Obama to get grief over BP spill ocurring in international waters??? How does that compare to hundreds of thousands of us citizens dead, homeless, and abandoned for a week or more in NoLa????? That is stupid. Get your head out your ass

Who's tryin to help? No one is trying to help. Everyone seems out to get as much as they can and fuck whoever has to suffer or go without to make it so. That is the modern USA mentality fed from the greedhead fux who want us all to think this way so we do not notice how much damage such a mentality causes upon the world.

The mazon jungle will be cut down for cattle grazing before 2050 at the rate US businesses grow, having to open thousands of new fast food outlets worldwide. Gotta make them burgers!!!!

Well why would America be at war with a religion, if America is a country that protects feedom of religion? Islam is a religion, not a country.

If he said "America will never be at war with Catholicism", would Fox News raise a stink and claim Obama is a puppet of Pope Ratzinger?

Think man, think with the brain your god gave you and don't let yourself be bamboozled by the New Goebbels Media.

About the rest of your post :he also celebrated Passover, he went to church in Hawaii, and met with the Dalai Lama. Is he a proud Jecwcristianbuddhist? OH and he had that fatso homophobe pastor pray at his inauguration. Is he pro-fat?

PS-- Bush also tried to smooth things over with muslims, in spite of his military misadventures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaNKz2rDF04


dont let Rush LImbaugh pull the wool over your eyes
"Islam is a noble faith" Bush said. WHILE HOSTING AN IFTAR. Watch him thank an Imam for leading them in prayer. He added a Koran to the white House library. Etc. etc. would Bush have declared war ON ISLAM? No fucking way.

he is also buddy-buddy with the king of Saudi Arabia

I think it's fairly obvious why Obama would go to a Muslim country and proclaim "the us is not at war with Islam" or whatever it was exactly. It's because there is a widely held perception that the US is at war with difference, or to put it another way, attempting to undermine specific cultures. This is one of the founding tenets of many Islamic anti-globalization groups ("terrorists" if some prefer). The same could be said about other countries and cultures as well. For example, I am an American living in Hungary. There is a fairly large radical Nationalist political party here, called Jobbik (which means "better" in Hungarian), which views America and the EU in a similar light. Groups like this exist all over the world, or at least in areas where the US has some hand in economic/political/social/cultural affairs, which is just about everywhere. Often times, as is the case in Hungary, much of the population holds less extreme sentiments, but still markedly anti-US, anti-EU, or more generally anti-Globalist notions. All of the major political parties in Hungary have to play on this if they are going to have any chance of being elected. The center-right party Fidesz, who is currently in power, recently passed a law restricting the media from not portraying Hungary, or Hungarian history in a positive light. It's one of many highly controversial subjects that has plagued this administration; not to mention the lovely EU presidency debacle, and the pre-Treaty of Trianon maps of Hungary in some of the EU government buildings. The point I am trying to make is that there is a largely held perception that the US is importing a specific culture where they are not necessarily welcome. Obama's relative "genius" as a politician is his ability to tap into people's perceptions and criticisms of the US and play on those for his own agenda. From what I have seen, he has been very successful at convincing the world that he understands their plight and that he is going to do his best to consider them. Bush was exactly the opposite. Bush was a popular president precisely because he represented a very "popular" view of the US from a US perspective; he embodied the hegemonic ideology and used that to get re-elected. At the same time, this is also the reason why he is a total buffoon. He did very little to play on the sentiments of the people he was dealing with, foreign and domestic, and worked to appease only his constituents. If you have never left the United States, it's very easy to not see the havoc that Bush administration caused when it comes to US foreign relations. The man is almost universally demonized and it is in my view that his administration is largely responsible for a pervasive distrust that has stigmatized the US throughout the 2000s. So I'm not really sure where you're getting this idea that the Bush administration smoothed over anything with the Muslim world. If anything, he is something like a figure head for US imperialism.

I see both of them as working toward the same project: the proliferation of US capital domestically and abroad. Bush was hands-down more "honest" about the project. Obama is more into appeasing people. He is simply working to improve US image abroad, and I think much of the world is expecting an apology. Obama is crucial for maintaining US hegemony in this respect. As such, I think Obama is one of the greatest presidents the US has seen in a long time. I don't think he's doing anything for "hope" or "change" or whatever, but I think his ability to convince people that he is on their side and is working for them is astounding. I would say that all great presidents pushed some sort of "agenda" and were able to convince the people this was the right thing to do. Jackson, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Reagan, etc.

It's very apparent you've never left Arlen, TX and get most of your information from mainstream media sources. I do not hold it against you. Your unquestioning attitude toward America's involvement in other countries is EXACTLY what Obama is apologizing for. Unfortunately, American arrogance is something that the world has to contend with; it's not necessarily something that we have to contend with back in our little bubble. The fact that you defend yourself by saying that "some of us think that Obama is apologizing blah blah" is exactly what I am talking about. You have failed to acknowledge the difference that many all over the world sees the US as trying to undermine. In doing so, you're not acknowledging a central global issue. Instead you fall back on the whole "I'm American and we got it right the first time, and everyone else is just jealous argument" which is truly upsetting.

Sorry, Bill Clinton might be great with foreign leaders is not what I am talking about. Obama is able to tap into the criticisms of ACTUAL PEOPLE. And by actual people, I mean, plebeian every day citizens. One of his most "genius" moves was doing a World tour where he addressed the people of different nations. It directly acknowledges that the world, whether the world likes it or not, is involved in US politics. Many people all over the world are aware of the political events of the United States. Are you aware of foreign national politics? Could you tell me who the president of the Ukraine is, much less Russia or the UK, without looking at wikipedia? Probably not. The reason I bring this up is to show how the visibility of US politics is far greater on the global scale than foreign politics are in the US. Obama going on a country to country tour was MASSIVELY successful when it comes to global public opinion. Seriously, he has done wonders for the US in this regard.

And honestly, who gives a fuck if he's muslim? Do you REALLY need a christian president? I feel like this is such a moot, yet infuriating point. While most Americans are christian, many are not, and a lot of those Christian Americans are rational enough to separate their personal religious beliefs from good political representation. Yet again, this idea fails to recognize difference: another shining example of American arrogance. We should all just accept the fact that he could very well be faking his Christianity to get elected. If you want to be President, you pretty much have to say you're a Christian, so it really is impossible to gauge which president was actually a christian and which one wasn't. As such, get over it.

Also, you must have a very liberal definition of history. Most of the events I talked about in my first post happened in 2011.

There is a good arguement that regardless of what the elites say, because the wars in afghanistan and iraq and now probably libya are nuclear wars - using "Depleted" Uranium, these are wars of total and permanent destruction.

bush participated in iftars too

so: did obama cancel national prayer day?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

the only thing left to say is that it takes a big man to apologize for one's fuckups., and it's the same with nations. only the petty and miserable and insecure pretend to always be right.

seeing this screaming defense of obama can only tell me !@#$% expected a lot more from obama, got let down and now is clinging to his last hairs on his head, wondering what now... maybe dubya should run again, haha



BOW TO YOUR MASTER!

The world is too small for countries to keep to themselves these days, sorry bro.

We are overpopulated, and the internet, media, technology, and dependence on resources/trade etc. make it IMPOSSIBLE for ANY country to function by itself in my opinion.

So America just taking care of America, England just taking care of England, Japan etc. etc. is a BS thing to say. Maybe 150 years ago, sure.

America is taking care of America btw, by dipping its hands everywhere ;)

Things like religion and prayer are just ploys to the average working/voting people anyway. I doubt any political leader anywhere gives a true shit about religion.

But to act like we get a say, they gotta please the voters.

once voted President (King), I vow to cancel National Day of Prayer.

vote slowly: vote often.

bytor - why do you distort things to the point of slander?

bush II is the only president to have held an ecumenical service for national day of prayer every year during his 8 years in office.

his father bush I had only one. reagan had 1 in 8 years in office. clinton had zero. so what is the big deal if obama in his first 2 years hasn't had one?

the service is neither an official ceremony prescribed by law nor a longstanding presidential tradition.

someone is making mountains out of molehills and making them look "spooky". it's a pity that good people like you are falling for such disinformation.

Stand back and look at all of them together as a circuit. They all blather fucked up shit beaciuse it suits their ends, to keep those in power tightening their power. "Political stupidity" is exactly what is needed in times like katrina or the spill. Politics solves nothing. Only action does. By being "politically smart" george w bush did nothing in katrina NoLa UNTIL he made sure the right people were gonna get paid for "doing the job" of helping. That is political savvy! Sure it took an extra week to get basic drinking water into shelters. But w bush's buddy that owns the water cmpany is getting the contract and giving the bill for shipping and transport to the us people

I'm waiting to find out what Chomsky has to say about it.

in the interview for her carte verde, mai waifu had to promise that she wasn't a communist.

being from Kenya, I assume Obomber had to do the same.

:confused:

Must hurt you southern boys something rotten that an uppity neeegrow is your boss now.

better one'a them boys then a stankin' messkin', aye always say.

ewwww wee them are trrrble and cain't speck none to well neither wit them pelican pelican pelican bulllshit.

Let's give Bytor big points for the back-and-forth, and his willingness to say
"you've got a point there" on occasion in addition to trying to back up his own points as best he can. I think this is about as civilized a discussion as it can get when opinions are so strong. I think his approach is respectful and is more in the nature of an actual "discussion," which is more than I can say for Lethrneck's bulldozer-with-earplugs-in style.
We might not agree on everything, but Bytor is a good guy.

Im sorry, I assumed Pookie was talking to me.

I'd take 1 Bytor for about 10 of most other posters here.

just as they accuse the fucking conservatives, Obomber's bulldogs run the risk of limiting discourse with their "ours is the only way/you must be stupid" ideology.

fuck politicians and fuck anyone who thinks there's one out there that represents or actually cares for anything other than their own putrid agenda.

no more kings.

fucking hell I sound dangerously on-topic and serious there for a moment.

please disregard.

I believe those weren't your intentions brother, but the result was the same.

I believe you're getting your information from people who are purposefully distorting facts in order to slander the President.

I'm not claiming Obama is perfect, he's human and bound to fuck up like we all do, but it's another thing to dig little random bits of information out of context and draw outlandish unsupported conclusions to paint him as "anti-American".

And again I'm not saying these are your conclusions-- I believe you've heard that somewhere, and believed it, and that those people are using you for their ends, which are the destruction of the middle class and the Brazilification of America: the rich in their fortresses, the poor in their hungry slums, and very few people in between.

Fox News does not have your class interests in mind. Their function is to mislead working people and protect the mega-rich.

Tell me how most of the central global issues would be there without the IMF, WTO, Structural Adjustment Programs, "stipulations", or the washington consensus. The US is highly influential in everything I have mentioned above.

I've been living abroad for less than a year. What are these "fundamental" (nice use of Sarah Palin rhetoric by the way) changes that Obama has enacted? What does he want to enact that would "fundamentally change America"?

I think to get back to the orginal taunting by leatherneck is that as bad as Obama is, the republicans look like a bunch of clowns these days, they keep making him look legitimate.

In his speech on the state House floor, Randolph even suggested that his wife could "incorporate her uterus" if it would stop the GOP from passing more restrictive abortion laws. Republican leadership scolded the Democratic congressman, telling him that talk about body parts was unwelcome.
"The point was that Republicans are always talking about deregulation and big government," Randolph told The St. Petersburg Times Thursday. "And I always say their philosophy is small government for the big guy and big government for the little guy. And so, if my wife's uterus was incorporated or my friend's bedroom was incorporated, maybe they (Republicans) would be talking about deregulating."
He said Republicans told him they were concerned about young pages hearing the word.

Or in Maine, where the teaparty gov removed a mural about labor because it was too biased to workers.



Its like, the republicans have to keep proving they HATE AMERICANS - and it is great to see some intelligent discussions

There's a war monger in my stomach that I'm abuot to expel. brb.