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greenlight 07.28.2009 10:19 AM

my favorite, together with Goo (yeah, I know). very interesting music wise with unusual riffs, the whole sounding of record. Becuz, Saucer Like, Washing Machine, No Queen Blues, Panty Lies, Skip Tracer, Diamond Sea are amazing. such a pity I haven't seen non of it live....
the fact that they didn't record it in NY has to do a lot with how the record turned out.

Derek 07.28.2009 10:36 AM

It's a great record full of inventive, creative guitar lines and song structures...

DanielCarlson 07.28.2009 12:08 PM

It has always been one of my least favorites, don't really know why though. Most songs are great and some, like Skip Tracer and The Diamond Sea, are fantastic. On the other hand I've always thought that some of the songs are rather annoying with annoying vocals and maybe that's why I haven't really liked the album as a whole.

It's been a while since I listened to the whole album though, maybe it's time to give it another go.

Rob Instigator 07.28.2009 12:57 PM

I find that, here, among sonic youth loyalists, Washing Machine is OVERrated.

There are some good tunes,a nd diamond sea is KILLER BIZNASS
but overall it is a hit or miss album, and not worthy of inclusion in top ten of sonic youth LP's.

DanielCarlson 07.28.2009 01:39 PM

I agree completely with Rob Instigator.

atsonicpark 07.28.2009 07:29 PM

The only reason people like Diamond Sea is the little effect on the guitar going wah wah wah wah.

Latham 07.28.2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barnaclelapse
I love Washing Machine and had no idea that it might be underrated. It certainly seems to be a winner with most of the SY fans I've spoken to over the years.

The Diamond Sea is one of my all-time favorite SY tracks, to be honest.


Agreed, but Ive been trolling for a long time and its almost always an 8 or lower in peoples "score this albums" threads and nobody has it in their top three. Or at least, this was what it seemed like before I started this thread. Glad to see I'm not crazy in my total love for this album.

Rob Instigator 07.28.2009 09:28 PM

I alwasy thought the beggining sounded like Martin Prince from the Simpsons going "owie, owie, owie, owie, owie"

Latham 07.29.2009 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swa(y)
i find theres a lot of apparent "die-hard" sonic youth fans that have heard only the following albums:

sister
goo
dirty
EJST+NS
daydream nation
nurse
the eternal
rather ripped.

i know a lot of "fans" that have never heard BMR, CIS, EVOL, self titled, NYCG+F, yadda yadda yadda. most of these people always swear by washing machine, daydream, or dirty.

then if you start talking about solo material its always "i really like psychic hearts" or either "trees"...like, totally unaware of this vast world of music featuring SY members outside of the confines of "sonic youth". ive always felt that these people are missing out.

basically,....it almost seems all of them depend on best buy for their sonic youth purchases.

not a bad thing...just weird. i probally wouldnt be too interested in digging through the rest of their albums collections as im totally ignorent enough to believe it would contain all the "grunge" material that can be bought at best buy, maybe a couple weezr albums, maybe some pavement...and the "avant garde" to them begins and ends w/ miles and coltrane.

in case anyone cant tell im in a TERRIBLE mood. dont fuck with me right now.


If it makes you any happier I love me some Confusion is Sex/Kill Yr Idols. And the debut LP. Oh, and Scriptures of the Golden Eternity. And I buy vinyl. So I hope this cheers you up.

On another note, a shocking amount of America lives in rural areas where the only store is Wal Mart, or some similar shit. So, even though its not really hip and indie, people buy music from big, chain stores out of necessity. And I think that anyone who listens to ANY Sonic Youth at all is way cooler than pretty much 95% of all people. So don't be hating.

automatic bzooty 07.29.2009 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
That's cause all of us are old fogies now. Young people don't listen to Washing Machine.

nuh-uh! i'm eighteen, and a few months ago, i listened to washing machine almost exclusively for a week and a half. :P

teengetaway 07.29.2009 03:42 PM

totally underrated. easily in my top three.

whorefrost 07.29.2009 05:06 PM

I utterly adore it. I consider Washing Machine and A Thousand Leaves to be the last two truly great Sonic Youth albums. Both are very textured, lots of chiming and washed out soundscapes, achingly gorgeous. Whilst A Thousand Leaves is more beatific, Washing Machine has more of a sinister gleam. I imagine listening to it in a South American city at dusk. ATL I imagine listening to at the end of autumn on the outskirts of an elegant, stately city.

sarramkrop 07.29.2009 05:14 PM

It's a great record, it deserve all the overrating that it gets. Rob, remember: They Might Be Giants.

[Sandbag] 07.30.2009 11:16 AM

meh.. everytime i hear 'overrated' or 'underrated' it sounds like people need to know what the general concensus is to form an opinion on what they like and how much they like it..

you can find one hundred people who consider something over rated and a hundred more who think its really really underrated. pure dust in the air..nothing to do with music..

we all know what we like..and washing machine rocks. :) :D

Rob Instigator 07.30.2009 11:21 AM

it may rock, but it is still not top ten SY albums in my book. I think it gets discussed more than it deserves. the middle half of that LP lags a LOT.

sister
evol
bad moon rising
confusion
daydream nation
sonic nurse
eternal
Dirty
1000 leaves
self-titled
goo

all rank better than washing muchine.

Rob Instigator 07.30.2009 11:30 AM

skip tracer rules though

Leetdude 07.30.2009 11:35 AM

Skip Tracer is incredible, but I think Saucer-Like is one of the more overrated Lee songs out there, along with Genetic. Not to say it's bad; I don't know if Lee's capable of actually writing a clunker. =P

cmurder 07.30.2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latham
I put it on last night and went all the way through. I must say, WS is defiantly one of my favorite records, totally in the top three. I haven't seen a lot of positive talk of it though. Any other lovers? Or at least share why you think its not up to snuff. (You'd be crazy though! How can you top The Diamond Sea, Skip Tracer, and Washing Machine??)


it's been my fgavorite for the last ten years for sure. but i have others that come and go

SONIC GAIL 07.30.2009 03:40 PM

[quote=swa(y)]i find theres a lot of apparent "die-hard" sonic youth fans that have heard only the following albums:

sister
goo
dirty
EJST+NS
daydream nation
nurse
the eternal
rather ripped.

i know a lot of "fans" that have never heard BMR, CIS, EVOL, self titled, NYCG+F, yadda yadda yadda. most of these people always swear by washing machine, daydream, or dirty.

EVOL one of my favorites! I'm looking at BMR sitting on my desk right now. I love that cover!

FreshChops 07.30.2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
Are you kidding? "Becuz" must be one of the best album openers of all SY albums.



Nah, I'm not kidding. Personally I thought "Becuz" along with the other W.M. openers was pretty generic and half assed sounding, especially by SY standards. Not so much by sound and the mix with are pretty tasting but by the writting: du-nu, da-du-nu, da-du-nu, da-du-nu.... over and over. Felt kinda digressed and high-school band'ish.

I have respect for them now, but just saying at the time, and first impression was oh boy..... I saw it as further getting away from their capabilities to write such deep and epic songs as they pulled off on Goo and Dirty.

Jeremy 07.30.2009 03:48 PM

Washing Machine I think might be the most underrated SY record. It has some great songs on it, and while some records are much more consistent with songs, Washing Machine to me is their best sounding album production wise. I love it! I could listen to it all day because of just how great it sounds. Any record ever done there sounds wonderful.

Uhmmm.... Oh but no, the record is really strong. When I first got it I was disappointed, but over time it grew, to the point where it's one of my most listened to Sonic Youth records.

~Jeremy~

sarramkrop 07.30.2009 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
it may rock, but it is still not top ten SY albums in my book. I think it gets discussed more than it deserves. the middle half of that LP lags a LOT.

sister
evol
bad moon rising
confusion
daydream nation
sonic nurse
eternal
Dirty
1000 leaves
self-titled
goo

all rank better than washing muchine.


The Eternal only gets discussed more because it's been out recently. How does A Thousand Leaves get more discussed than Washing Machine, or NYCGAF is beyond me. What are you going on about?

FreshChops 07.30.2009 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
The Eternal only gets discussed more because it's been out recently. How does A Thousand Leaves get more discussed than Washing Machine, or NYCGAF is beyond me. What are you going on about?



Yeah, going by iTunes, the Eternal is the most popular SY album.... this based off of sales I assume. Ya' know it's not their most successful album, but ya' gotta figure it's due to the accessibility of it (via iTunes) at the time of it's release, opposed to the old'en days when the older albums came out.
In all though, I doubt it's sales have exceeded say, Dirty.

I did notice that they put a decent marketing campaign behind the Eternal though.... which was good, and helped (like MySpace and iTunes ads)!

evollove 07.31.2009 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshChops
du-nu, da-du-nu, da-du-nu, da-du-nu.... over and over. Felt kinda digressed and high-school band'ish.


Sounds fucking No-Wave-ish to me, which I'd bet $100 is the point.

A brilliant album that curiously contains the single worst song by any band ever played on any record. You know which one I mean.

sonic sphere 07.31.2009 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
Sounds fucking No-Wave-ish to me, which I'd bet $100 is the point.

A brilliant album that curiously contains the single worst song by any band ever played on any record. You know which one I mean.


junkie's promise?

atsonicpark 07.31.2009 06:57 AM

little trouble girl?

evollove 07.31.2009 07:35 AM

You guys really think "Pantie Lies" (the answer; well, my answer) is better than "Junkie's" or "Little Trouble?"

Rob Instigator 07.31.2009 08:39 AM

I enjoy panty lies like a mug

I enjoy little trouble more than I do washing machine the song

I think the lyrics are stupid as fuck and suck the big turd.

sonic sphere 07.31.2009 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
You guys really think "Pantie Lies" (the answer; well, my answer) is better than "Junkie's" or "Little Trouble?"


yes. well i do anyway!

Gary Black 07.31.2009 03:20 PM

I really love WM. It holds a special place in my heart because it was the first record in my vinyl collection. I bought it after hearing 'Unwind' on a free cassette in the NME. 'Unwind' is still one of my favourite SY songs. It's so bloody good!!

WM was the first CD I played in my new car recently. Sounded awesome :p

atsonicpark 01.09.2011 11:30 AM

this album is a riff monster.

Pelle 01.09.2011 11:52 AM

Well, I started listening to SY because I heard Washing Machine. At least it was one of the first albums I heard from them.
It is incredible, but there are a few boring tracks, but I mean, all albums got em. ;)

btw, if anyone have a LP-version for sale, let me know!

EVOLghost 01.10.2011 05:33 AM

not in my book.

Skuj 01.10.2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latham
I put it on last night and went all the way through. I must say, WS is defiantly one of my favorite records, totally in the top three. I haven't seen a lot of positive talk of it though. Any other lovers? Or at least share why you think its not up to snuff. (You'd be crazy though! How can you top The Diamond Sea, Skip Tracer, and Washing Machine??)


Agree, it's a strong album all the way through, except that Kim one about underwear.

Skuj 01.10.2011 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
The only reason people like Diamond Sea is the little effect on the guitar going wah wah wah wah.


Plus the amazing otherworldly structure of the song.


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