Big Doe Rebah is horrible. I think it's probably his worst album.... YES I think Wizard Of Poetry is better. It's at least a far more interesting and ballsy record.

Ironman 4/5
Supreme Clientele 5/5
Bulletproff Wallets 3/5
The Pretty Toney Album 5/5
718 (Theodore Unit) 4/5
Put It On The Line (with Trife Da God) 3/5
Live In NYC - 3/5
Fishscale 4/5
More Fish 3/5
Hidden Darts Special Edition 3/5
Big Doe Rehab 2/5
Wallabee Champ 2/5
Ghostdini The Great 3/5
Ghostdini The Wizard Of Poetry 3/5
Wu-Massacre (with Method Man & Raekwon) 3/5

....from memory, did I miss any?

there are a few ghost songs where he sounds like he's crying.. those always fuck with me..

I've only heard ironman and I love it. I'm still not sure why people only ever mention OB4CL and LS as the best of the first era of the Wu. Believe it or not, I like Ironman better than cuban linx. Liquid Swords tops them both though.

I'm not as big on cuban Linx, because I'm not as big on Raekwon. But Ghost is only like 13 of the songs, so it's almost a Ghost/Rae album really.

I'm realy not a big Rae fan either. But he's only an actor in the film Cuban Linx that RZA directed. Ya dig?

adam, I've said many times my favorite GFK album is PRETTY TONEY... I'm curious yr take on it... I think it's by far is most OUT THERE album, but most ppl don't seem to pick up on it. It's sort of the album that got me BACK into major label hip hop. The fact that he released THIS on a major is amazing. It saturated Used Bins so quickly aftter release, I knew something was speical about it. It's so fuckign weird, it's great. From the intro and throughout. Thoughts? (After serious listen,please)

I never really listened to it, will have to get it. That, Bulletproof, and Ghostdini are the only ones I've never heard.

Bulletproof is pretty meh. Ghostdini is hilarious at least.

Yr post brought something up that I've always thought about. Is RZA solely responsible for nearly everything from the WU from the first five years? I mean, he did have complete control. I guess what I'm trying to say is how much did each member contribute to their respective solo record during RZA's five-year plan? Obviously, they wrote their shit but RZA could have given them a direction or outline given that he was the executive producer.

the first run of solo albums were not recorded as solo albums. RZA made beats, then everyone had a chance on them, and then he picked the best verses and decided "okay this is GZA's song now" or "this is going on Ghost's album." That's why the first batch of solo's is really very much posse albums that are just sort of heavily-featuring one member (or 3 in the case of IRONMAN...).

(ya'lls need to read RZA's Wu-Tang Manual -- it's a great book.)

I've been meaning to get that book.

Yr explanation makes a lot of sense but it doesn't explain how the production during the first run of solo records fit so well. Each record had a "sound" if you know what I mean. Furthermore, that sound seemed to fit each emcee's style so well. Maybe Rza changed the beats slightly so they all sounded cohesive. Or maybe it was all coincidental.

yeh I get what yr saying. There may have been SOME tracks that he had in mind for a certain MC (I can't imagine that "Shimmy Shimmy Ya" was made for anyone other than ODB for instance). But there's defiinitely some tracks that could have been on any of their albums... another thing is that perhaps how he decided WHO got the track for their album had to do with the ultimate tone of it. Like maybe he said "okay, well "Meth Vs Chef" could be on Meth's or Rae's album. But its' way heavier than the other tracks I've given to Rae. So it would fit with the headbanger shit I gave Meth:" You think?

rza is just god.

I love when he says "talk weird like bjork" but he says bjork like bee-york.

haha YES! Me too!!! "I talk with the aw - kward slang / I walk with the Wu - Tang"

ghostface's life lessons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_P9ARbzhM

is that from his motivation book/cd set? I gotta find that.

no idea! I didn't know what it was from, hoping you would, but it's amazing!

"you gotta wear clothes that match, nigga, don't go oiut lookin like fuckin RAINBOWMAN nigga."

Probably this. It's his uh Self Help book. :)

http://www.amazon.com/World-Accordin...1511125&sr=1-1

oh my god.

thanks.

if you get it, rip the CD for me. Eh?

I'm convincing my friend to buy it as we speak!

fuck yeah!

Adam did you ever get a copy of that Ghostface self-help cd?

Revised:

Ironman 4/5
Supreme Clientele 5/5
Bulletproff Wallets 3/5
The Pretty Toney Album 5/5
718 (Theodore Unit) 4/5
Put It On The Line (with Trife Da God) 3/5
Live In NYC - 3/5
Fishscale 4/5
More Fish 4/5
Hidden Darts Special Edition 4/5
Big Doe Rehab 2/5
Wallabee Champ 2/5
Ghostdini The Great 3/5
Ghostdini The Wizard Of Poetry 3/5
Wu-Massacre (with Method Man & Raekwon) 5/5

Scientific, my hand kissed it
Robotic let's think its optimistic
You probably missed it, watch me dolly dick it
Scotty watty cop it to me, big microphone hippie
Hit Poughkepsie crispy chicken verbs throw up a stone richie
Chop the O, sprinkle a lil' snow inside a Optimo
Swing the John McEnroe, rap rock'n'roll
Tidy Bowl, gung-ho pro, Starsky with the gumsole
Hit the rump slow, parole kids, live Rapunzel


Supreme
Ironman
Fishscale
Pretty Toney
Big Doe Rehab
Bulletproof Wallets
Ghostadini

re-rating...

Ironman 4/5
Supreme Clientele 5/5
Bulletproff Wallets 3/5
The Pretty Toney Album 5/5
718 (Theodore Unit) 4/5
Put It On The Line (with Trife Da God) 3/5
Live In NYC - 3/5
Fishscale 4/5
More Fish 3/5
Hidden Darts Special Edition 4/5
Big Doe Rehab 3/5
Wallabee Champ 2/5
Ghostdini The Great 2/5
Ghostdini The Wizard Of Poetry 3/5
Wu-Massacre (with Method Man & Raekwon) 4/5
Apollo Kids - I dont' have it yet :(

i'm currently more addicted to Supreme Clientele than it's healthy.

Ghost is easily my fav Wu member, i've decided. he is the most emotional and has the best discog.
fuck that, he's one of my fav artists ever, period.

Ghost is not only my favorite Wu member, he's one of my absolute favorite MC's of all time.

hehe peep that edit.

if Fishscale isn't a 5/5 then i don't know what is.

i'm crossing my fingers for Supreme Clientele 2 in August.
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HELL YEAH

he is underrated as a producer too. Holla & Big Girl are so pretty.

y'konw what's the best "Ghost crying" song? "Can't Go To Sleep." Man, The W is such an amazing album. I feel like it's really slept on but, I love The W cuz it sounds really low-fi and rushed and weird at parts.

i've never heard the full album, but "Can't Go to Sleep" is amazing. that Isaac Hayes sample!!
i'll give it a listen tomorrow. you made me check out Pretty Toney and i fell in love, so now i have to.

awe dude I think you'll totally appreciate The W. When it first came out I didn't really get it. I felt like it was such a letdown after Enter and Forever. But over the years it's become one of my favorite Wu albums. Probably the one I go to more than any other now.

I hate to say Iron Man, but that one really is filled with the most classics. That said, a case could be made for that album essentially being a group effort/RZA's vision.. so in that spirit, I'm sort of changing my answer to Fishscale.
Fishscale was one of the first hip hop albums I ever bought, I was in middle school and I barely knew what he was talking about. Parts of it were sort of um... abrasive to me, but I was laughing and generally enthralled the whole way through. I put it back on my shelf and forgot about it, as I pretty much ditched hip hop for punk. Years later, I found out I was an idiot.