Yeah, we could somehow privatize the endowment of the arts as a survivor-esque reality television show.

agreed! except for the part about brian sewell-- i dont know much about him.


well the good news is that NEA funding was increased by about 17 cents per person in the new stimulus bill. after years of being gutted by the republicunts, and after surviving persecution from the yahoo philistines, the 50 million allocation made it alive. hurray!

http://www.insidethearts.com/scannin...ty-ronish/810/

but the trouble with limited funding is that it is always going to be a matter of personal opinion what is worth spending money on so it won't ever be that rational, except to the person making the decisions.
anyway, it sounds like the "artists" you're talking about totally lack integrity, what's the difference between them and people who live off benefits rather than work?

i graduated two years ago and they did nothing to prepare us for the business end of art, probably because the tutors on my course had little to no experience of it. they did try to groom us in how to apply for funding though.

Maybe you're the future of art Herr & Bowels? Y'know, what with already being a jaded Eton fist-fan?

also, what do these artists do that they need funding for, unless they're doing some sort of grand scale sculpture or installation? i met a girl who recently got funding to do a piece of contemporary dance, what the fuck costs so much money that you would need for to dance that you can't pay for it out of what you earn in your day job (assumimg she has one)?!

I probably am, thanks for the advice.

Grand scale stuff is not the only problem. A good 70% of people who are going to grand scale plays, and give fundings for these things to happen, don't even remember the name of what they're watching. That's disgusting.

it is so you can make art without having to work 40-50 hours a week, exhausting energy on a Job, instead of yr artwork. it is like patronage

Why is that disgusting? I go to quite a few plays and galleries, and more infrequently things like operas, I don't necessarily remember what I've watched or go because I'm a massive fan of the artist concerned. There's a lot of people - I suspect a majority of arts patrons - who go for the experience over anything.

I've possibly misunderstood what you're saying, so don't take this as me laying into you, but if people went to plays with the same sort of attitude as they do films, you'd overnight find a massive reduction in snobbery. It's a comparable experience, but only the very biggest plays make money (outside of London, I know London is very good) while a crap film will be watched by millions, in spite of everyone involved know it's crap (I'm thinking the Star Wars prequels).

EDIT - you were talking about public funding for twattery. I see. I can't really square that one, feel free to ignore the above].

Some of these people are related to somone who is acting in the play. Sometimes I've chatted to actors who didn't even know who directed the play they were in etc. It puts all people who make an effort in a bad light. I don't even know why I'm posting this 'cause I don't give a shit as much as I find it a disgusting thing, if it makes any sense, which it doesn't, since I'm posting about it.

i've gotten a good chunk of grants in the past 2 years, one i got news about today, it's a nice wad of money, from a private source, though i've gotten government grants too, and why am i going to bitch about it? i'ts money i put to good use. i have a day job too-- fuckit, that's the reason i work weekends and i have no life, writing grants and looking for money and trying to squeeze moviemaking after a day full of poverty and sorrows. bring them on! (the dollars, that is).

Money to help survive when she is working on the project + venue hire + production expenses. The performing arts is a ridiculously expensive avenue to pursue and the funding allocated is very sparse. There are student production staff who will work via secondment for very little, but anyone with any experience does not come cheap, and then you have actual production costs, and tour costs if anyone ends up liking what you do.
It makes me want to cry when my theatrical stage manager partner complains about his wage and that he is underpaid. It is a regular argument. :( Standard wage includes accomodation and travel paid for when touring, weekly 'living allowance' (cash in hand of around an extra 33% of his weekly) + weekly wage. On tour this can work out to an overall value over the 3k mark per week. So think about this per person.. and your 'fudning' doesnt seem to go very far anymore.
If you're an actor and you have to actually 'do' anything while on stage other than your role (ie moving some props or set) then you are entitled to assistant stage manager bonuses also.. SHEESh.

Absolutely. I don't see anything wrong with someone attending a show who doesn't really remember it.. because I'm part of the arts community and need to keep the attitude of 'any money is good money' in order to survive. There is a lot of snobbery but most if it is fairly earned.. The theatrical arts are supported almost enitrely by patrons, so it's no surprise that they are ready to boast about this when given the chance.

Also to be honest anyone attending local theatre at the moment is doing more for their economy than someone going to the movies.

!!! :mad:

Interesting. I just groom mine.

fuck a venue, these people dance in the street and they are better than she will ever be

I'm not even getting into a discussion about it 'cause you're talking nonsense, but I have it from someone in Melbourne that the art 'scene' there and the one in London are as similar to each other and are as nonsense as nonsense could be.

fuck the art scene, fuck it to death!

You're so full of opinions Toilet and Bowels, why do you not put them all into practice?

because it would probably land me in jail

like valerie solanas?

Pity Valerie Solanas wasn't even an artist, as much as she would tell you she was. Really, how can you even criticise when all you do is that, criticise?

yes but if they didnt apply for the grant in the first place, they weren't going to get it, not matter who is.. better.

So your someone in Melbourne's opinion is more valid than my someone in Melbourne? :confused:

What is nonsensical about it, honestly?

Because at the moment it seems like you'd rather have a room of 5 people watching a show because they're the only ones that 'get it', over 500 people watching a show because they might not 'get it' but they still 'enjoy it'.

What is the problem? Art doesnt have to be elitist. If you have that attitude preventing you from participating then that is your own issue, not everyone elses.

Must spread your gun shots before shooting porky again.

didn't she write a play that andy warhol "lost" and she accused him of stealing?

im not coming out in her defense, but she's the cultural hero of a number of feminazis.

i was just wondering if t&b was gonna shoot anyone, though.

i'm against arts funding, i wonder how many of you have seen the type of moldy food they give out at the shelters? but i don't really want anyone receiving money for their wanky project while millions of people are living like garbage

private funding is great, i wish i had a couple million to hand out myself, but government grants are keeping money from people who truly need it and are increasing the public's reliance on the government

I doubt you would want to increase welfare spending with that money as well.

What's the difference between government grants and private funding if you're worried about who's getting paid enough?

because the government takes money from everybody and has a responsibility to use it appropriately, the difference with private funding is that it's a persons own money and they can do whatever the fuck they like with it

they also don;t charge admission, crunkkkk

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US government money that goes to arts funding equals less than 30 cents a year per person in the USA.

the amount that goes into food stamps and welafre and food programs for indigent and homeless is a hundred times that at least

why you complaining?

the government takes money from everyone and uses it for eeryone.

if you choose not to see the art show, or the play or the dance being performed at your local civic center that's your issue.
they will still use most of it to build roads, sewers, electrical grids, etc. stuff that all people use, but by your logic, if people exis who do not use the interstate highway system (and there are hundreds of thousands if not millions who do not) then we should stop fuinding the roads?

My problem isn't necessarily with people applying for funding (I've done it myself) it's when they seem to exist solely for that purpose. There are people who treat getting grants like a full-time job. I work with a few of them and they're easily some of the most worthless, self-obsessed people I've ever met. Bureaucrats with easels.