I'm going to vote, because I think the puppet on the left is alittle better quality...but if you think politics is as simple and fair as they say think again. I'm not even saying the candidates themselves are aware of it when they run for office, but do you ever wonder why people get elected as president and then completely flip on the stances they had when they were running. Common sense and first glance would give the impression they are just greedy liars...but there is usually some kind of "crisis" that grows from another "crisis" that they use as a distraction for the reason they go against their word.

Do you ever wonder if it's because their orders and actions are being guided by someone else.

i agree, but we are young... lets ask gmku

Corruption happens. It's only a problem if people do not make themselves heard that they dislike it.

Glad we have your approval.

Yes, but it is all about man. Who is both fallible and flawed.

When money is on the table, man moves awefully quick to CREATE things like Religion....political crisis....regimes.....cults.....private clubs.....gangs.....and organizations.

yup, money + power and the people who own these things.

I think it's really sad that you might believe that your country shouldn't need the rest of the world's approval toward your leader, when it affects us all so greatly.

^^Now you're thinking.

I'm not overly paranoid about certain things, but one thing I have become more passionate about is the illuminati and the secret organizations of the world. Fatcats come in all shapes and sizes. Maybe I'm retarded.

THAT is the whole point, and THAT is why they do it. To keep people just happy enough to let them be, while they do as they wish to the rest of the world.

It isnt retarded at all, its only retarded to even remotely believe that it doesnt exist.

People have a lot more people than they might believe, to make changes. But people also have a lot more power than they might believe, to prevent positive change, by just doing NOTHING.

yeah they do a pretty good job of that. kudos to them

What, the US imported all of the population of native north and south americans in a trade deal with Mars?

I believe in sovereign states. This includes my opinions on U.S. foreign policy.

Also the United Nations exists for good reasons.

Is this just a weird joke? What are you saying?

When it all comes down to it, every country with a great amount of power, no matter their original intentions...becomes corrupt. so corrupt that it can only be destroyed from within via revolution.

You shouldn't judge people based on their country because not everyone believes in patriotism just because you were born in a country. In fact I don't think anyone should be patriotic about any country at all....we're just animals molding the land like playdough. sometimes we don't like our design and start over. sometimes we find one we like and stick to it because we like it, even if it could be better. The United States is Rome, it is England, it is Egypt, it is Persia...it is a region of land that has great wealth and moronic citizens who feel a sense of purity and pride and a government who laughs as it digs it's hands into those citizens pockets. Every single country has corruption, scandals, tragedies, genocide, revolutions, trials, torture, war, and all the 'bad' things in the world. There's just usually one or two countries in the center spotlight that put on the show for the rest of the world to get distracted by the history of mankind. This isn't new. This is just the boring stage where people talk about dissatisfaction and change. I give the revolution another 50-100 years. If we make it that long.

We are already on the downward spiral.

You do or you don't believe the US uses it's position of power to unfairly trade with other states? Or if you can get away with it, then it's fair?

I do believe the US uses it's position of power to unfairly trade with other states and I disapprove of it.

I wasn't sure why you were denying the importance of the hispanic population of the americas in the foundation of present date US..

at least we agree on something:D

yes, but it doesnt have to continue.

It might be and seem very very very hard work to fix, but, maybe, it is possible?

I dont know.. some days I am apocolyptic and others I am hippie extremist and want to evoke change. In my heart I wish everyone cared enough to do the right thing, even if it is harder than the wrong thing.

But the way of life most first world populations have lead in the past 50 years means it is very hard for people to imagine giving up certain wants in the name of a better tomorrow.

Apart from the Mexican–American War, hispanics played very little role in the foundation of the United States of America.

Yup. Also, in this day in age, whatever powers may be finally have the tools for complete control that they always wanted.. The types of technology that has been coming out in the past couple of years, especially regarding things like the patriot act (phone tapping convinced by exploiting fear) and the tracking chips they are putting in babies if the parent so chooses (exploiting the fear of kidnapping and knowing where your child is). There is a silent war being waged, and they are using wars like Iraq and economics as a distraction....

countries enemies and financial problems come and go....but imprisonment under the veil of freedom is becoming an act that doesn't seem so ludacris and unstoppable or sci-fi anymore....

And so do a large number of the U.S. population.

what? that is grossly absurd!

Kind of waiting for your reasons why...

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Im going to just leave this thread be now because I've had my hour dose of debate and I do really need some breakfast..

Im not sure what to say to that though.

land, labour, culture

Those came later with the expansion of the United States of America across the continent, mostly through the annexation of Spanish territories to the United States during the Mexican-American War. While they did help shaped later U.S. culture, economic strength, and other factors, they weren't apart of the United States at its founding.

you mistake my point, I'm not referring to a localized corruption but a system-wide glitch either purposely not addressed or set-up to fail, when you have these new fangled machines flipping votes one way or another, or skillfully set up to mystify the user, its not within a normal range of error and default...and how are people going to make themselves heard when the fascists run the media, like say in NYC where bully bloomberg just changed the law(?) so he can now run/buy/threaten a 3rd term, gee I remember the media elites denounced Chavez when HE changed term limits that in Caracas, but everyone is afraid to criticize fascist bloomie because, never mind that he owns huge media, but he's also the mayor and bloomie showed his colors when he had mass arrests at the RNC simply for demonstrating but I digress...

Notice the first acquisitions of Spanish territories decades after the Declaration of Independence, Revolutionary War, and ratification of the United States Constitution.

the american government isn't actually all that greatly influential on the world's political/economic events. certainly not by itself alone.

and in any case, why is it that americans who talk about politics on the internet (hello tesla69) never come across as if they know what is going on around them?

sayin'

umm, so California, Texas, New Mexico and Colorodo are not significant to the founding of the United States?

^^It took years to get out that far...well after our country was 'founded'.

so, yes.

No, they aren't. The United States of America was founded before their inclusion. They are significant to the expansion of the United States of America. In fact, Texas was a sovereign nation independent of the U.S. and Mexico for ten years and similarly California was also an independent Republic though only for less than a month before being included.

The United States of America was not founded with 50 states nor can the realization of the Manifest Destiny be included in the "founding" of the nation.

so before this, absolutely no native americans were affected whatsoever. And shortly after this, everyone lived happily ever after, all hispanic and native americans were fairly compensated for all labour and land rights, and it was all merry and wonderful, entirely thanks to white americans?

what a pile of poo.

can play semantics all you like but my point was more the very large role the hispanic population has played in the entire evolution of what is present date US.. not what happened on the day the delcaration of independence was signed.

Not all Native Americans are Hispanic. Native Americans played a critical role in the founding of the U.S.A.

And I never gave any qualitative comments on the expansion of the United States of America.

And you said "started," not evolution. That's not mere semantics, that is a complete distortion of the history of the United States of America.

Zoot Suit Riots anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots