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al shabbray 08.15.2008 01:20 PM

can somebody tell me 2 or 3 names from the good songs?

Derek 08.15.2008 02:09 PM

Hail has 2+2=5 and Go To Sleep, the rest sorta sucks though.

I like Paranoid Android and one or two other tracks from OK Computer, but as an album I find it very unfulfilling.

MellySingsDoom 08.15.2008 02:14 PM

T Rex - their hippy stuff can be fairly painful at times, but the Glam ROCK stuff is Power Win all the way, baby.

sarramkrop 08.15.2008 02:31 PM

I love T-Rex's hippy stuff!

MellySingsDoom 08.15.2008 02:57 PM

sarram - some of it IS good, but the Tolkien nonsense makes me want to knaw my hands off. And as the late, great John Waters said, he did have a bit of a Larry the Lamb voice then.

PAULYBEE2656 08.15.2008 02:59 PM

blur.

afterthefact 08.15.2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by deflinus
radiohead?

a lot of people dont like pablo honey or the bends.


So obvious, and yet I didn't think of it :)

demonrail666 08.15.2008 03:22 PM

The Stone Roses?!?

Prior to their first album they were pretty awful. Saying that they were only ever really 'awesome' on that first album and the 'Fools Gold' EP.

MellySingsDoom 08.15.2008 03:26 PM

The Boys Next Door/Birthday Party - the first Boys Next Door LP ("Door Door"), is pretty blah (save the awesome "Shivers"), but all else that followed was godlike...

Torn Curtain 08.15.2008 03:38 PM

The Notwist.
The Beach Boys.

Torn Curtain 08.15.2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by terriblecanyons
Talk Talk.


Good one.

This Is Not Here 08.15.2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
The Stone Roses?!?

Prior to their first album they were pretty awful. Saying that they were only ever really 'awesome' on that first album and the 'Fools Gold' EP.


I'd have to agree with you there, the early singles that I've heard are disposable at best. Though for me Second Coming is their best stuff, its more... dancey, 'Begging You' being one of the best dance tracks I can think of.

SuperCreep 08.15.2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Torn Curtain
The Beach Boys.

Ah, that's a great one. Surfin' Safari through Shut Down Volume 2 = Complete cack.

joe11121 03.14.2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins
Everyone likes the Bends.
Except Cristgau.
But no one likes that cranky old bat.


Hhahahahaa

uhler 03.14.2009 01:32 AM

i'm not sure if pulp were mentioned. but they were terrible at the beginning and then released three amazing albums.

yeah, "2+2=5" is the best song off "hail to the thief" and is an actual good song. the rest of the album is pretty bad to terrible.

DeadDiscoDildo 03.14.2009 02:40 AM

I actually like most of the Beach Boys early shit over the later stuff. Though Pet sounds is my favorite, the smile/smilie smile shit is my least favorite. I know smile is supposed to be amazing but most of it just doesn't deliver.

Finally, ironically, heroes and villains is one of my favs. But their early shit? they were a solid band, way more solid than later.

Early beatles was solid too, nothing like a bunch of drunk brits on a shit load of uppers. They didn't start awful, or mediocre...the hamburg days were their best and they road that wave until they stopped playing shows. Then they got awesome again. fuck u if you don't love strawberry fields.




I would also say the black lips, tho that's kind of unfair. They've been a band for 8 years so when they first started, doing traditional, kind of boring punk, they were mediocre....but then tapped into the psychedlia and shock rock with their second album.

hmmm....

This is kind of a tough thread tho.

I think the Stones sucked until the early 70s material.


I would say Silverchair was pretty bad, looking back. I liked their single when it came out...in 4th grade haha.

I stopped listening to them for years, until diorama came out, and I liked that alot. I think they became very good as a band, but really overproduced the hell out of their records...making me dislike them alittle. That could just be their labels call tho...silly australians.

The dissociatives are pretty cool.

Whatever, most of you probably hate me now after this post. go listen to norwegian black metal and cut yrself!!!!!!

well, some of that is rad too actually

fugazifan 03.14.2009 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
The Boys Next Door/Birthday Party - the first Boys Next Door LP ("Door Door"), is pretty blah (save the awesome "Shivers"), but all else that followed was godlike...

i thought that door door had some good songs (other than the awesome shivers)
but its nowhere near the b-day party.
are you familiar with the israeli band the witches 90's duet with cave singing shivers? its pretty good.
they were a pretty decent band as well. one of israel's cult punk bands' who disbanded when their singer died in a car crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE2eJTlMwVw

[Sandbag] 03.14.2009 02:04 PM

I can't really think of any band... :/

hail to the thief is my fav. kid a and amnesiac are great. ok computer is good. the rest of the albums might take a week until i get bored of them, except for 'permanent daylight' out of 'my iron lung ep' which is... brilliant.

Glice 03.14.2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fugazifan
i thought that door door had some good songs (other than the awesome shivers)
but its nowhere near the b-day party.
are you familiar with the israeli band the witches 90's duet with cave singing shivers? its pretty good.
they were a pretty decent band as well. one of israel's cult punk bands' who disbanded when their singer died in a car crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE2eJTlMwVw


That's a better version than Cave's, if you're asking me. And there's a (lesbian) friend of mine who used to go out with an (Israeli) girl who looks just like the blonde girl in the video. Popular look, or brushes with fame?

fugazifan 03.14.2009 05:23 PM

could be. they were popular in the mid 90s. so shes probably in her 40s now...
im pretty sure that all three members are gay though, so the chances are good

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.14.2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deflinus
radiohead?

a lot of people dont like pablo honey or the bends.


I definitely agree with that..

I feel this way about the Black Keys, I could not stand them a few years ago, but I really enjoyed their last album.

auto-aim 03.15.2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by al shabbray
i wonder who supported sonic youth last time on the DDN gig in berlin. 2 guys one medium build, playing a synth and one thurstonesqe thinny guy playing stomboxes and I think kaoss pad. it wasnt that good...it wasnt wolf eyes I know for sure :) btw the concert chronology doesnt mention them at all


Sutcliff Jugend?

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.15.2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SYRFox
My Bloody Valentine


The most shining example I can think of.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.15.2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins
Everyone likes the Bends.
Except Cristgau.
But no one likes that cranky old bat.


Also Yo La Tengo started out as boring, but not awful.


Didn't Thurston Moore kill him with his big fucking dick anyways?

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.15.2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperCreep
"Awful" to me has to be something with absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever. I can't think of anyone who started at that point and reached "awesome" status.

Even Pablo Honey has about three good songs on it. The rest of it isn't even that awful, just really passable generic 90's alterna-rock. It's not something that offends my ears on the level of Wolf Eyes or Fleet Foxes or anything like that.


That's true. MBV's early stuff was pretty decent as far as that sort of stuff goes.

lowlife 03.16.2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
BOD are dilletantes and poseurs if ever any existed!


not true

Toilet & Bowels 03.16.2009 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lowlife
not true


Well that statement was based entirely on hearsay, but they're still total rubbish

uhler 03.16.2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SYRFox
My Bloody Valentine


i disagree. their first album is shit. but all their eps up to "isn't anything" are great. "isn't anything" was good and "loveless" is totally boring.

frades 11.27.2010 10:25 AM

pennywise began to be good only from "land of the free?"

Skuj 11.27.2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Someone had to start this one.


Radiohead.

Skuj 11.27.2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
Hail has 2+2=5 and Go To Sleep, the rest sorta sucks though.

I like Paranoid Android and one or two other tracks from OK Computer, but as an album I find it very unfulfilling.


Oh Dude......it blows me away still.

Skuj 11.27.2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by uhler
yeah, "2+2=5" is the best song off "hail to the thief" and is an actual good song. the rest of the album is pretty bad to terrible.


Couldn't disagree more. HTTT is certainly their least appreciated album.

Savage Clone 11.27.2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by _slavo_
Someone might disagree, but I'm saying Labradford.

The first LPs were not so good (although not "awful" by any means) but since "E Luxo So" the things started to move up rapidly.


A few years later, I say..
The first two Labradford LPs are the only ones I kept, and the only ones that I don't find to be super-sterile snoozefests.
I am probably more attached to those because Prazision completely blew my mind when it came out. It made a huge impression.

The first few Death In June LPs are not to my taste so much, but when he switched to the "apocalyptic folk" style, I couldn't get enough.

EVOLghost 11.27.2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
Couldn't disagree more. HTTT is certainly their least appreciated album.



I really like Hail to the T hief. Myxamatosis is such a kickass song


I'm gonna listen to it now. Houses of the Holy just ended.

GeneticKiss 11.27.2010 04:48 PM

With regards to Radiohead, I don't think it's 100% fair to say they were ever "awful". Sure. Pablo Honey is easily their weakest album (yes, I think In Rainbows is better), but it has some good tracks...You, Creep, Stop Whispering (check out Thom Yorke's hair in the video for a good laugh), Anyone Can Play Guitar, and Blow Out come easiest to mind.

But it's not like any of their albums are perfect:

The Bends: Bones, Black Star
OK Computer: hmm...I might've said Let Down was well named in the past, but now I like it...
Kid A: the title track isn't really that good, and neither is Motion Picture Soundtrack
Amnesiac: Morning Bell was better on Kid A, and Life in a Glasshouse just bores me
Hail to the Thief: A Punchup at a Wedding is easily the worst song Radiohead have ever done. Beyond that, this one's pretty solid.
In Rainbows: I like Weird Fishes/Appreggi, but it does lean a bit too close to Snow Patrol territory for my liking at times, and Faust Arp is obvious filler.

LifeDistortion 11.27.2010 10:40 PM

Tom Waits with his first two albums were meh, piano blues stuff but from "Small Change" on Waits became awesome.

SpaceCadetHayden 11.27.2010 10:44 PM

Hair Police: Blow Out Your Blood was a childish little album and they grew into a fairly awesome, at times, group.

SpaceCadetHayden 11.27.2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
for some reason i feel inclined to say black dice. they started out as second rate teenage noisecore thugs, and become a wonderful experimental trio dabbing in everything from idm, post punk, synthesizers, hip hop, ambient, etc..

also, magik markers. those who still hate them will disagree obviously, but once again, a second rate noisecore band who seemed they were making noise for noise sakes. but then 'boss' came out, and they were able to maintain thier noise and hardcore backbone, while incorprating great guitar melodies, 70s psych rock influences, nice rhythms, hooks, and in my opinion thier secret weapon, elisa's lyrics (very poetic, wierd, etc..) and her voice which i think is unique as they come. anyways, from what was a totally run of the mill, guaranteed a spot on the no fun lineup, generic noisecore band, s now a psychedelic/hardcore/noise rock band with lots of potential me thinks. im sure plenty of you will disagree.


I certainly agree with both. Although, I still wouldn't call Magik Markers 'awesome'. They certainly have some potential I never would've said they had 4 years ago.

the ikara cult 11.27.2010 11:03 PM

I think Coil got better over the course of their career, though they never really sucked. The incline of the graph is up though

knox 11.28.2010 12:51 AM

did ANYBODY say radiohead


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