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I dunno, the Fall is a different thing for me, it's like I said above.. so many of their albums are really different. Do you have Grotesque? That's extremely musically developed and very aware of dynamics and repetition with minor changes... it's pretty brilliant. |
The Fall are one of my all time favorite bands but I only really love maybe 15 of their albums.
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i guess different ears for different people. also, at the time i was listening to a lot of punk rock so something like captain beefheart bored me until about a year later when my musical tastes grew. |
interesting.
I just personally.. I guess it depends what album you listen to, but they're one of the craziest bands to ever exist, musically, I just don't see how anyone could find them......... boring. But fair enough. I'm guessing you hadn't heard 1010th day of the human totem pole, maybe the least-boring song ever written :) |
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i just preferred speed and captain beefheart wasn't fast enough for me back then. |
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I don't think its gonna happen, demon. I've known the fall for a long time. They have some moments, no doubt, but considering the acclaim and the 30 album or whatever output, they just don't cut the mustard. |
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Don't give up on us ricechex, you can do it ... just one more listen to Hip Priest. That's all we ask. |
the nwra is so good .
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haha. i haven't shut the door. I do like some things but i wanted to love em' like everyone else..haha :confused: |
Clutch.
Recommended me by a friend who I generally agree with on such things, and yet nothing, despite many attempts. |
I don't try hard to like anything.I win no matter what.
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I will just say, I fucking hated Sonic Youth when I first bought Dirty. I listened to it several times, took a break, listened to it more, bought a couple more CDs, and finally liked them. I'm glad I did that, and if the result is positive, there's nothing wrong with it. If music is obviously shit, then it's fine to just toss it out the window. But there are times when it's good to keep trying.
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The first time I listened to Sonic Youth, it was pretty challenging. But then it eventually paid off.
I don't buy this "I'm so honest that I never challenge my taste in music" shit. |
Then again you have the music taste of a 2 year old with no enthusiasm for anything but easy listening. It's no wonder you are constantly aurally challenged, is it?
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Or are you saying that a good taste in music is something that you can only be born into and not develop? |
Did you cry while you were writing all that shite?
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Your life must be so boring.
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I don't find anything challenging. Though that may be from constantly seeking out things that are challenging.
Music isn't a challenge. I love sound in general. |
I think you find music that you don't like challenging. The only difference is that you see there is no value in the challenge. Magik Markers, for example. You have often ranted against them in the past. They did challenge you but they changed nothing. You aren't open to things you are closed to, even if you have good reasons to be so.
As far as I'm concerned saying that you find no music challenging is saying that you thoroughly enjoy listening to all music. Dullness is a challenge, mediocrity is a challenge. It is a relative term and even if you buy into whatever faux-transcendent self-image, it will always relate to you. But I doubt those of you that glorify the music historical revolutionary definition of "challenge" will see the flip side when applied to yourself. |
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Yep. I like the music and all, but I just can't get it. |
I understand what you're saying with this thread. I agree with the Queens of the Stoneage vs. Kyuss comment, actually. I've seen them perforn a few times, and am sometimes impressed, othertimes not. Be Your Own Pet, and all those other "party anthem for hipsters" music that often associated with that band.
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I guess I just look at challenging in a different way than you.
I think "challenging" means I'm challenging my tastes, challenging my perception of what's good or whatever. Magik Markers are easy listening; they don't challenge me in the least, from any angle. They don't appeal to me in any way. At this point, nothing really challenges me, because I actually try to listen to and appreciate everything now. What would I consider challenging music? I guess Jandek.. Jon - Smoke (a little girl playing an organ and singing for 20 minutes)... you know, stuff that's difficult to get into. I guess it creates a condtradiction in a sense, if challenging music is music you actively seek out because it's difficult to listen to. But I end up being rewarded often when discovered guys banging on cans for hours and it ends up being completely compelling and amazing in a surreal way. I wouldn't label Markers as a challenge at all... unless I'm just not understanding your point. They're, like, easy listening rock music that make noise and I don't like their songs . |
i will say most bands that i love i loved right away. black flag, minor threat, bad brains, negative approach, bikini kill, gang of four, sonic youth are just a few bands that blew my mind when i first heard them. then there's bands that i like and then latched on with love after a bit. then there's bands that i liked and then disliked after 6 months or so (hatebreed being one of them). there's very few bands i disliked and then loved later on.
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I don't think new music needs to be challenging. I like some shitty talentless music, and I fully enjoy it regardless of its lack of challenge. I give stuff a chance because I don't wanna miss out on stuff I might enjoy. Simple as that.
But on the other hand, if you find enough new music that challeges you and brings you your own form of enjoyment, there's no point in giving other stuff a chance. As long as you got music to enjoy, it doesn't matter how you go about it. |
I don't believe a thing that challenges your perception of what's good is only challenging when it successfully changes your perception of what's good. I say what is bad also challenges or conflicts with your perception of what's good. Easy listening can also be a challenge. The only music that isn't challenging is music that you already like, if you find that you prefer abrasive music then easy listening will become a challenge to bare with. Journalists have used the term for so long to talk about bands that have challenged mainstream societies' tastes but on a personal level the mainstream societies' tastes can be just as challenging to a person less inclined. Remember that Merzbow quote I believe about noise and pop?
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From my list of favourite bands, I don't think I loved anything straight away. I would find the music interesting enough to listen to again, and then it would grow on me.
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I love the enthusiasm you fill your every single post with, Rob. This may sound silly, but you must be a truly happy person. |
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polvo i tried really hard to find a redeeming quality in both of these bands. i couldn't. |
Diamanda Galas
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Joy Division.
A couple of their songs mean a lot to me, (Disorder, She's Lost Control, Heart and Soul, Love Will Tear Us Apart) but it's bewildering to think that a person could listen to an entire album of those life-sucking moans. But so many people love that shit so much, and I want to see what they appreciate about it. I've been meaning to listen to their first two albums again, because age does funny things to yr music tastes- I didn't like Sonic Youth or Pink Floyd the first time I heard them. |
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Totally agree w/you on Smashing Pumpkins - I called them "Gash Central" earlier on in this thread. Whiny and dull commerical rock music that sends Melly into a coma of boredom. |
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ZEROpumpkins - had a v quick listen to one of your tracks today - very impressive. Will give this and the others a proper listen over the weekend :)
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I love SP's Siamese Dream but beyond that, I don't get the big deal either.
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Clutch just plain suck
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Another band I've never managed to get is Aerosmith. I've listened to albums like "Toys In The Attic", but they do nothing for me - it just seems like a re-hashed Stones/Cooper hybrid. I'd far rather listen to the Stones or Alice Cooper instead at any time.
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I too have tried over and over to listen to aerosmith
I fucking hate them same for the NY Dolls they sound like a bunch of boring drunk drag queens trying to do a rocky horror type show. |
thing about Aerosmith is there best songs are ones no one knows. earlier stuff, tucked away amongst their hits. no one plays anything off Night in the Ruts or Draw the Line i.e., but there are some great rock songs on there. But yeah, like Rush, i haven't liked anything post 85 by em'..
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