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viewtiful_alan 06.23.2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by charles eugene
Ha! thats funny, do they rock out to the chilis before the big game?

Yes! XD usually give it away....
The foo fighters also seem to get them goin.
Its just hard to be really into a band when its associated with the future frat boys of america XD

I do like both bands though, just not actively or vocally XD.

charles eugene 06.23.2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
A band as genuinley angry as say.. Black Flag couldn't exist in today's musical climate. The anger that you heard in those records and live came from shitty touring conditions, the frustrations of living from dollar to dollar, and an overall state of alienation.

The internet has taken away the need for extensive guerilla promotion (another interesting facet of the Flag), for a band to be truly hated but still try, in essence it takes some of the passion and effort out of making music. Sure its a great convenience, but on an artistic level, I'm gonna have to dispute the helpfulness of the internet

And with the internet being the defining object of everything these days, music included, I'm gonna classify this as an argument against music's current path.


damn, that was good and true. It really does take the effort and passion out of it all, which has in my eyes taken alot of the genuine(ness?) and sincerity out of a good portion of music.
BUT for the listener and or musicmaker the internet has definitley made music more accesible(i wouldnt have found out about over half of artists i like) and at the click of a button. Its like every other day i got a new favorite artist and shit

charles eugene 06.23.2008 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
Yes! XD usually give it away....
The foo fighters also seem to get them goin.
Its just hard to be really into a band when its associated with the future frat boys of america XD

I do like both bands though, just not actively or vocally XD.


LOLZ
but i freakin love the chili peppers, i just grew up listening to them

EDIT: i know what u mean though, there are a few bands that i secretly love too

viewtiful_alan 06.23.2008 08:38 PM

Yeah I get that side of it it to. It really is a love hate thing for me. I discover alot of new artists through it, but it doesn't seem like many of them have much real intensity.
to me.. you can play as heavy and hard as you want, but if you don't feel it, than you can't really get under my skin.

And like I said, I think the new found convenience modern bands have found in the internet has taken some of that away.
It really is a ying-yang sort of thing.

viewtiful_alan 06.23.2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by charles eugene
LOLZ
but i freakin love the chili peppers, i just grew up listening to them

EDIT: i know what u mean though, there are a few bands that i secretly love too

haha oh we all do... for the longest time I thought I should be ashamed of liking NIN ( afavorite of the black eye liner crowd) until I found out that more cool people than lame people like them. XD
What's your favorite album by the chili's?

charles eugene 06.23.2008 08:47 PM

By The Way is sooo boss and same with Blood Sugar. But to me theyre all classics and good as shit. Dave Navaro wasnt shit compared to john frusciante though. I really dig their shit from way back with like Freaky Styley and Uplift Mofo too, its so fun. But i have to admit that their singles arent always the best(but i love them too)

charles eugene 06.23.2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
I love that the reggae scene in Los Angeles just wont day, you can see all the legendary artists EVERY year, year after year, and some of these brethren are getting old!

I hate that everyone thinks they know about music, when so many people have little to know experience with the shit, and so they are idiots.

on this same line of thinking, I hate that everyone has some Ipod now, as if they all just love music that much. I have been dedicated with my headphones since the day, years solid, and I hate to look like all these weirdos who suddenly pull out their ipod on the bus like, "oh yeah, i got music to listen to?.." no shit asshole! I-man have been as dedicated to music as wearing shoes! I could never forget to put on my music, cuz it is ALWAYS on my ears, and so, I hate music lover pousers, who floss music players for novelty or even worse, status. I-pod=exploitation of music by the masses, even worse then radio, especially when you look at what is on these ipods...



I know what you mean, this thread is really telling it like it is

viewtiful_alan 06.23.2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by charles eugene
By The Way is sooo boss and same with Blood Sugar. But to me theyre all classics and good as shit. Dave Navaro wasnt shit compared to john frusciante though. I really dig their shit from way back with like Freaky Styley and Uplift Mofo too, its so fun. But i have to admit that their singles arent always the best(but i love them too)

Yeah when John left the band really went to hell.
You really can't argue with Blood Sugar, they kind of perfected their craft with that one.

I always thought their really early records sounded kind of weird, can't tell you why though... just always have.

charles eugene 06.23.2008 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
I always thought their really early records sounded kind of weird, can't tell you why though... just always have.


yea i hated it so bad before. It sounds wierd because they were really wierd, they were literally like half insane back then and on drugs. Im reading Anthony Kiedis' biography currently and it is awesome, its so hard to put down.

viewtiful_alan 06.23.2008 09:00 PM

I've heard it'll kind of make you think differently of them

charles eugene 06.23.2008 09:15 PM

yes indeed, they were some real free spirits back then. They just lived for fun and did whatever, whether it be jumping off an 8 story building, banging your drug dealing dads girl at like 12 or shootin up

I know someones gonna be like "this is so off topic omg"

atsonicpark 06.24.2008 12:25 AM

chili peppers suck... they do cover beefheart live though apparently..

uhler 06.24.2008 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
maybe they are awesome live, I wouldn't know. Some bands are great live but I hate their records (like the Locust).


the locust are one of the worst bands i have seen live. the only record of theirs i can ever listen to is their first 7 inch anyway.

atsonicpark 06.24.2008 12:35 AM

They were great live when I saw them.. really full of energy and making fun of everyone and it was actually funny instead of their usual brand of "we're more scene than you so let's joke about how scene you are" bullshit. I guess in retrospect the show seemed more awesome because I just watched their drummer. But yeah, shit band.

Everything I love and hate about music can be summed up with this quote: "I am an antichrist, I am an anarchist."

uhler 06.24.2008 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
They were great live when I saw them.. really full of energy and making fun of everyone and it was actually funny instead of their usual brand of "we're more scene than you so let's joke about how scene you are" bullshit. I guess in retrospect the show seemed more awesome because I just watched their drummer. But yeah, shit band.

Everything I love and hate about music can be summed up with this quote: "I am an antichrist, I am an anarchist."


yeah the only thing i liked about them is when they made fun of everyone and pretended they were on coke. i saw them with combat wounded veteran and they sucked even worse live then the locust. even though i did like combat wounded veteran the first time i saw them live with reversal of man.

atsonicpark 06.24.2008 12:45 AM

haha cwv.. ew.

uhler 06.24.2008 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
haha cwv.. ew.


agreed.

Toilet & Bowels 06.24.2008 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
A band as genuinley angry as say.. Black Flag couldn't exist in today's musical climate. The anger that you heard in those records and live came from shitty touring conditions, the frustrations of living from dollar to dollar, and an overall state of alienation... all of those things are taken away by the easy accesability and use of the internet.

The internet has taken away the need for extensive guerilla promotion (another interesting facet of the Flag), for a band to be truly hated but still try, in essence it takes some of the passion and effort out of making music. Sure its a great convenience and takes away some of the above mentioned troubles, but on an artistic level, I'm gonna have to dispute the helpfulness of the internet.

The internet really really takes away some of the joy of finding things through exploring, I'd much rather find a band by taking a chance at a record store, rather than clicking on some band's site because I saw that it got a million hits.

And with the internet being the defining object of everything these days, music included, I'm gonna classify this as an argument against music's current path.


you're mostly talking out of your arse

atsonicpark 06.24.2008 04:25 AM

Yeah, I don't really agree with any of that. Don't use the internet to discover music if you don't want the joy taken away.

I think there is a lot more inwardness in our society in general thanks to the internet, but most people don't even use it to its full potential anyway. Most people only look at porn or personal ads I'd assume... but it is true that anything you ever wanted to know about anything is a click away. Which is more awesome than awful in my opinion, though I do eventually see our entire society existing almost exclusively online...

acousticrock87 06.24.2008 04:32 AM

I like that music has a greater variety than ever. If I want to find a band that sounds like _____ but without the _____, and maybe a little more _____, it's probably already out there.

I hate that the proportion of good music to bad music has become increasingly worse.

sarramkrop 06.24.2008 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice

Hate:

- Talking about it in the real world, with rare exceptions.


I rarely ever talk about music with anyone in the real world, unless it's with people I have met from here. I'd rather discuss porn and people than music.

ZEROpumpkins 06.24.2008 04:46 AM

Right now?
How every so called Indie band sounds the same. They all sing with British accents and it's just terrible.

Death & the Maiden 06.24.2008 04:56 AM

Hate: I don't have the money to buy all the music I need.

ZEROpumpkins 06.24.2008 04:57 AM

Oh and also this new thing where the singer "sings" some quirky lyrics that don't rhyme or have any rhythmical significance in relation to the song. I listen to Triple J a lot, and they never stop playing those kind of songs.
If you've heard Thou Shalt Always Kill by Dan Le Sac
or
I'll Kill Her by Soko

You'll know what I mean.

sarramkrop 06.24.2008 04:58 AM

Love - Listening

Hate - Reading long posts about it

ZEROpumpkins 06.24.2008 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden
Hate: I don't have the money to buy all the music I need.

Maybe some local dude will hire you to assassinate Muslim people nearby?
:D

Florya 06.24.2008 05:04 AM

I love the fact that my hearing is so fucked up from the MBV gig that I can't hear the shit spewing from the radio that is on at work.

Death & the Maiden 06.24.2008 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins
Maybe some local dude will hire you to assassinate Muslim people nearby?
:D

Haha, they haven't arrived yet.

Toilet & Bowels 06.24.2008 06:00 AM

australians are as bad racists as south africans

Death & the Maiden 06.24.2008 06:04 AM

That's true.

viewtiful_alan 06.24.2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
you're mostly talking out of your arse

actually argue with what I've said or stfu

viewtiful_alan 06.24.2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

HATE - the fact that I missed out on seeing Keiji Haino in Houston this past weekend.

Oh shit... I forgot all about that.. : (.

Glice 06.24.2008 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
actually argue with what I've said or stfu


It was probably something to do with trying to invoke a heirarchy of anger in music which is rationally untenable and largely hyperbolic at odds with the generally very personal associations of 'anger' within music. Viz, I hear Black Flag and hear bored Americans. I hear other things and hear rage. Doesn't mean it's there for you or absent for me, just it's a bit of a non-sequitur.

I should've thought that much was obvious.

viewtiful_alan 06.24.2008 01:12 PM

It wasn't just anger, more just pure intensity and genuineness than anything.

✌➬ 06.24.2008 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
A band as genuinley angry as say.. Black Flag couldn't exist in today's musical climate. The anger that you heard in those records and live came from shitty touring conditions, the frustrations of living from dollar to dollar, and an overall state of alienation... all of those things are taken away by the easy accesability and use of the internet.

The internet has taken away the need for extensive guerilla promotion (another interesting facet of the Flag), for a band to be truly hated but still try, in essence it takes some of the passion and effort out of making music. Sure its a great convenience and takes away some of the above mentioned troubles, but on an artistic level, I'm gonna have to dispute the helpfulness of the internet.

The internet really really takes away some of the joy of finding things through exploring, I'd much rather find a band by taking a chance at a record store, rather than clicking on some band's site because I saw that it got a million hits.

And with the internet being the defining object of everything these days, music included, I'm gonna classify this as an argument against music's current path.



I agree with T&B.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 06.24.2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nicfit
I hate the fact that there's no way I could keep up with all the releases put out by bands I like.


I actually love this. I never run out of stuff I like.

Glice 06.24.2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by viewtiful_alan
It wasn't just anger, more just pure intensity and genuineness than anything.


'Intensity' and 'genuineness' still mean nothing lad. Not laying into you or 'owt, just suggesting that not everyone agrees with you. 'Genuineness' really means fuck all. I've met a handful of big bands (no name-dropping, I'm afraid) and most successful/ career musicians are entirely honest, earnest, and genuine about what they do, regardless of whether that come through to you as an individual. I have absolutely no doubt that Celine Dion genuinely believes the music she makes to be amazing and true and genuine and 'good'.

acousticrock87 06.24.2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
'Intensity' and 'genuineness' still mean nothing lad. Not laying into you or 'owt, just suggesting that not everyone agrees with you. 'Genuineness' really means fuck all. I've met a handful of big bands (no name-dropping, I'm afraid) and most successful/ career musicians are entirely honest, earnest, and genuine about what they do, regardless of whether that come through to you as an individual. I have absolutely no doubt that Celine Dion genuinely believes the music she makes to be amazing and true and genuine and 'good'.

I like this perspective. Bigtime musicians also have to more-or-less put their well-being at stake when they sign their souls over to a label, and that takes sincerity and dedication.

viewtiful_alan 06.24.2008 01:41 PM

I get what your saying.
I don't know, maybe I'm just one of those idiots who thinks everything was better way back when. There is good music now, just very little of it hits me like most of those old albums do.

acousticrock87 06.24.2008 01:50 PM

I don't know, modern music trends confuse me. People adore John Mayer in the popular world, and despise him underground. Jeff Buckley is virtually ignored by pop listeners, and worshipped underground. In reality, they're pretty equally talented and not all that different stylistically. It's not about "good" or "bad" or even "style" anymore. There are too many elements that affect us unknowingly.


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