I suppose I agree with that, although I'm not sure they necessarily enjoy labels; as pbradley alluded to, it's sort of a gender-assigned mentality that has persevered through generations. I hate the women that take pride in their independence - isn't that a contradiction? If you're trying to shed gender-related roles and negative stereotypes, independence is nothing to be proud of, it's simply part of your character.

I suppose I'm biased in all of this, because I generally don't get along well with those of the female persuasion.

I don't know because I am not one.

Hope they're intelligent enough to transcend such petty concerns and realize that social programing is social programing without escape, even with themselves.

i want a woman i can depend on but who doesn't depend on me, is that asking too much?

You trying to say women can't think for themselves? lol

I know quite a few who would be better off not to!

So long as she ain't too independent for a shag

Ha, ha. Nice...

I likes my womens strong-headed and strong-smellin'. So long's they remembers they place is in the House or Senate.

House or Senate**

what exactly is an independant woman?

in answer to the question, i dont really care.

You are fucking right.

Yes :o Where is the limit between being caring (I've been told that I am) and manipulative ? I do think that in a couple there's always at some point some sort of manipulation (or interested behaviour to be less harsh) even if both people really love each other. EDIT: I mean this can be unconscious off course.

I guess wanting to feel needed is linked to finding a meaning to our existence.

Interestingly enough, I was discussing this yesterday. Independancy is definitely an attractive quality. To have a sense of self and not base all their decisions on what I feel like doing is a plus.

Are you sure, girls can now wear strap-ons you know.

Independence is sexy. (Savage Clone response: Julian wants a woman who can take care of him.)

I do enjoy being gentlemanly and get a little irked at the "don't open that door for me" attitude. That's just called being nice.

But anyways, dependant people are annoying. I don't like having to worry about people.

Sounds like a plan. I'm all for bisexuality.

Ok, but don't you think that's cold ?

If people only cared about themselves we might as well live in caves. I mean some interaction is needed from time to time, man is a social animal.

Yes. I grew up in an enviroment that was strongly matriarchal and where pretty much all the women are in charge.

Most women that I have noticed are truly independent never or seldom go on about it. That to me is what I find attractive about them to start with.

I agree with whichever asinine sentiment the ladies agree with. This is a scheme so fiendish none could possible understand its myriad complexities - however, it ends with me sticking my dong in someone's love-wound.

Can I get an e-high five?

Myriad meaning ,Constituting a very large, indefinite number; innumerable

Miriad meaning , ( wind blows an e-tumbleweed across the forum )

Can I get an e-high five?

applause sir.

that's a good move, but one that reeks of desperation.

so-- double good move!

Keens eyes young steed, I'll dedicate my edit to you.