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Sonic Youth themselves love pop music, that's what makes me wonder even more. Perhaps they are a little more open-minded than a lot of their fans?
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I think to say that sonic youth "love" pop music is a bit of a reach. They are aware of it yes, and they admire certain people in the pop specturm, a la madonna in her early days, but based on every single band or musical reference I have ever heard them refer to any "pop" music they listen to is in the far periphery to everything else they love.
Kim herself has described the differences between pop and rock. she states that pop music is the striving for a perfected version of a standard musical form (ballads, standards, torch songs, dance songs etc.) while rock music, true rock music (in her words) is about the search for a new sound, a new musical form, marking new territory, and she stated that sonic youht and most everything that they all love is rock, not POP. |
Their supposed love for pop always seems to me very consciously "ironic."
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Look out--I'm really showing my age here!
Gene Simmons, KISS: Gene Simmons (1978) Black Sabbath, Paranoid (1970) KISS, Alive! (1975) Deep Purple, Deep Purple In Rock (1970) Alice Cooper, From The Inside (1978) Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, and Grand Funk Railroad came shortly after. I was around 10 or 11 when I came to own these--all of them on 8-track, with the exception of the Deep Purple album, which I had on cassette. I don't think anyone so far has 'out-heavied' my list. The first LPs I owned were KISS's Dynasty (1979) and The Alan Parsons Project's The Turn of a Friendly Card (1980). The first punk thing I owned was The Ramones' Subterranean Jungle, just after it came out in '83, when I was on my way to 9th grade. |
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I also seem to remember that Kim Gordon likes reading glossy magazines, you know, the ones where people like your Paris Hilton's or Nicole Ritchie's appear on regularly, or about her clothes label and how she goes to fashion shows etc, all things that are closer to pop culture than rock culture. Nobody said that they are obsessed with pop music, but their love of your Prince's or Madonna's seems like an indication that they aren't the sort of band that listens exclusively to rock music. Gmku, only the narrow minded thinks that everyone listens to pop music only for insipid ironic purposes. Get over it, it's the year 2008 and not everyone was brought up to listen only to 'cool' music. |
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fashion and art were Kim's interests since before she was in sonic youth, and that has nothing to do with pop music, which is what I thought you were discussing. popular culture is a whole different animal and encompasses ALL modern music (punk, indie, pop, dance, whatever). |
pop music is an obvious influence on sonic youth
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Right, I am off work now. I put it down to the fact that rock culture in America is very separationist compared to Europe. I can't explain such levels of narrow mindedness any other way. Bye bye.
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Separationist? Hee, hee.What's in your tea, Porkie?
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I was around 5 or 6 and they were the first Beatles albums, I don't remember the titles. My cousins albums and so I would borrow them and listen to that, over and over. My favorites was the first album, Yellow Submarine, Help, A Hard Day's Night, and Magical Mystery Tour.
First records that I bought for allowance money were when I was 10 or 11 and they were the Blue and Red Beatles Greatest Hits albums, I also had the Village People double album live, Abba hits, and Rolling Stones Rolled Gold? It was their greatest hits double lp up to 1970 I think (Sympathy for the Devil was the last song on it I think). |
the point being that pop music is generally meaningless fluff, generic ballds, love songs, and stupid fucking songs about relationships and stupid shit.
rock music is about telling everyone else to FUCK OFF!!!!! of course pop music is an influence on sonic youth, but I woudl say it influences at the most 5% of their music. the rest comes from freaked out shit and ROCK. |
george is an oldster like me!
when I was 12 or so my mom's boss gave me her vinyl copies of sgt peppers, abbey road, and magical mystery tour, and I quickly bought the white album, and my life was never the same again |
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bravo!!!! the only people who think they were trying to be ironic wwere journalists who were too scared to print their answers in fear they might seem uncool and people who blindly read these very same journalists. -- Quote:
sy dig that. -- first 5 vinyls in order: *iron maiden - powerslave (that cover!) *mötley crüe - theater of pain (you could put the thing for a 7" and the needle would fall exactly on "home sweet home") *led zeppelin II *van halen - 1984 *mötley crüe - girls girls girls (needless to say, i had the rest on tape, already). first five cds: *metallica - ride the lightning (to replace my broken tape). *w.a.s.p. - first blood last cuts (hahahahaha, i thought they were heavier because of their image and reputation, but i ended up liking it anyway) *pantera - far beyond driven (because it was the first time i heard an album sound heavier on cd than on tape). *pearl jam - vitalogy (still my favorite by them and one of the coolest packages i've ever seen). *nirvana - in utero and judgement night soundtrack, which were gifts (i already had in utero on tape). |
SY at least love The Beatles, The Beach Boys and The Carpenters. In addition I think you can't deny there's been a pop sensibility in their music since Evol, in the sense that they began being much more melodic.
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rather ripped is not inspiring any kid to tell their teachers and parents to cram it.
if anything, they are inspiring them to let their (hipster) sweethearts know how much they love them like the swirl of a sunflower and how they love the bunnies as the frollic in the gardens. |
SY members can also have tastes that the "indie police" would condemn, for instance Thurston loves Meatloaf while Steve is a Sade fan.
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To stick to the topic what I can only remember for sure is:
First two albums on tape (copied), at 12-13: U2 - War U2 - The unforgettable fire First two CDs I bought, at around 15: The Cure - Disintegration U2 - Under a blood red sky First cassette I bought, at around 15: Metallica - Master of puppets I still really like those 5 albums. |
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That is your misfortune, sir. |
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no it cannot be denied at all, which I stated, but pop music is by far the least of their influences. |
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there's no accounting for the taste of drummers man. |
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Yep. I just played Let's Dance four times--and loved every minute of it. Tell me that ain't a condemnable act. |
Rob, you're a spring chick compared to moi.
& yeah, what is it about the white album that changes lives? I was never the same, either. |
Yeeeeeah...
I love pop music. Specifically overproduced, mushy, gushy jpop. And you can rest assure there's nothing ironic about it. |
Air Supply totally rules.
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Originally Posted by Torn Curtain SY members can also have tastes that the "indie police" would condemn, for instance Thurston loves Meatloaf while Steve is a Sade fan. what is wrong with Sade? the load I understand but Sade is bet'am dehna! (very good) |
there is a LOT wrong with sade
nasal ass voice smooth jazz backing music endless songs about the most trite subject around, love fucking CHIMES in nearly every song fuck I hate Sade and her bullshit music. My girlfriend is a huge Sade fanatic. That shit makes me wanna fucking barf in my mouth everytime I hear it. |
Ha ha ha ha....you fucking crack me up, Rob.
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When I was little I think used to listen to songs much more than albums. I can remember some of my favourite songs back from when I was 4 years old, but for albums not until I was maybe 9-10 or so.
Anyway, these 5 below must've been among the first full albums that I listened to and/or owned, although sometimes only as a copied cassette. cassette: Michael Jackson - Bad Beatles - 1962-1966 and 1967-1970 (I think, but maybe it were just some random Beatles cassettes) CD: Queen - The Miracle Guns n' Roses - Appetite for Destruction MC Hammer - Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em edit: I do remember having lots of cassettes with stories and fairytales etc, but they don't count as albums. |
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hehe someone remembers them! For non-australians/too young to have heard them and want to hear some aussie stoner rock from the 90s, the weed are ofcourse on youtube!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7HOPsPabg (dunno if this works) |
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You're only 5 years older than me I think so not that much, but I guess it does make a pretty big difference music-wise. Great albums by the way! |
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Well for me I remember being totally swamped by the pop culture of the 80s and I didn't like it, I remember simply hating Kylie Minogue etc even as a young kid, stuff like that just seemed really cheesy and superficial or something, so things more gritty or weird or something appealed to me. |
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My house always had music on. The earliest albums I like I can't remember so well (apart from Jim Reeves' Bimbo - I still like it, doubt any of you schleps would). My old dear would play a whole world of country - no Johnny Cash, but plenty of Dolly, Tammy, Patsy, Hank, Nelson, Rogers and a millions compilations - and Irish... y'know, the old tapes that still live around the house and you never know who's singing but remember the song. My old man would listen to Meatloaf and 80s soft rock, which took me ages to get, but makes a bit more sense these days. My sister would play lots of gay pop (from which I get my current Erasure obsession, and also makes sense of the Industrial thing). And my brother was into the first wave of British punk (I think he still things new wave is a bit gay) and plenty of reggae. I was very, very lucky, methinks. Unlike a lot of people (and this is going to sound like a wankerish boast) I was pretty much bored of punk by the time I hit puberty.
The first records I remember buying with my own money were Menswear's Nuisance, Blur's Leisure, Echobelly's on, Gene's to see the lights and Elastica's elastica. So make of that what you will. |
So do you think our first five albums were formative somehow, shaping what we'd like to listen to, collect the rest of our lives? Any theories? Environment? Genetics? A combination of both?
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Only if you're still harping on about them many, many years after you first bought them. Ok, that's the cheap dig over. I find it astonishing that so few people here have mentioned anything particularly embarassing. Either you've all got hip parents, or a fair proportion of people here are lying. |
I was given an MC Hammer CD on my birthday! I even asked for it!
Even more embarassing, I got a CD player and that was the first CD to go with it. I hadn't even asked for the CD player, just for that MC Hammer CD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rKM90L6YBE |
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I said Britney Spears. Along those I also listened to blink 182. But can't remember which ones I bought/owned. But somewhere they all got involved. Also Green Day. |
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My parents were very uncool, aside from the fact they didn't try to prohibit me from bringing whatever music I wanted into the house (trust me, I knew kids' parents who did that!). My parents record collection, let see--Barbara Streissand, Henry Mancini, Doc Sevrensin, more Henry Mancini, the soundtrack to West Side Story, more Henry Mancini, and oh, yes, more Henry Mancini. (by the way, I don't get what you mean by the cheap dig, but whatever.) |
My parents are also deeply uncool, but I've come to appreciate what that means. When I was an angry teenager, the fact they didn't get my music was because they didn't understand me, and I didn't get theirs because they were idiots. My opinion now is more like it doesn't matter if they don't get what I like, at least I can share a bit of what they like. Don't get me wrong, there's still a great deal of stuff they like I can't stand, but at least I can spend time in their company listening to records, which certainly beats sitting in front of the idiot box.
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