The national Socialist party (Nazis) were a roman catholic party, a christian party, with full coplicit support from the vatican in their attempted extermnination of the hebrew people.

crosses upon crosses uon crosses


and saying hitler was a pagan means nothing. many of our leadres in washington, republicana nd democrat, are actually agnostic or athiest but cannnot say so, to keep the support of the sheep.
hitler was the same way.

already been done by me.

Houston people don;t care about that bullshit man. we are cynics.

you did not read what I said correctly.

I said that the reason that religious groups paint the freemasons as being satanic is because they teach that no religion is "True", and that all religions offer a path to enlightenment and wisdom and god.

How am I being intoletrant by saying shit about a child-fucker like mohammed? Several of his wives were 12 years old. Nice guy.

mmm 40 lashes.

...at least she didn't end up with 8 bullets, a slit throat, a machete in the chest and a kitchen knife pinning a note to the stomach.... but, it seems she made a legitimate mistake, while theo was a incorrigible agitator. neither deserved anything near what they got.

actually i think hitler took a dim view of catholics and i think any support the vatican had for the nazis was an act of diplomacy and appeasement with a view to protecting german catholics rather than an act of complicity in a genocide

for a well-read person like you, you're not showing a lot of historical understanding.

i cannot corroborate or deny if some of his wives were indeed 12, but consider:

-the concept of childhood is a fairly new one, dating back probably to rousseau
-in old times, you started working as soon as you could walk. there were no saturday morning cartoons.
-women got pregnant as soon as it was possible.
-ask yourself-- was marrying pubescent girls a common practice in that place at that time? or was he doing this on his own?
-think of other milennia-old practices like the jewish one of declaring a boy to be a man at 13. sure does that not apply today, does it? even though it's still done in a religious context, 13 year olds aren't ready to leave the nest. a full course of education takes something like 20 years these days.

it's a bit absurd to apply modern standards to the historical past, especially without making an attempt to understand what was going on back then.

just sayin'

again, Hitler was not the whole of the Nazi party.
his personal views are irrelevant to this. the National Socialist party was a christian party through and through.

This is all true !@#%#, very much so. However, go to a muslim nation and speak the FACT that Mohammed stuck his cock into a 12 year old and see if you won't get killed for it.
Like I said, my personal BS is not the issue. I declared that none of this mindless violence and hate and aggression and castigation will stop until humanity as a whole sees the lie of "true" religions and understand that , like the freemasons teach, all religions, when practiced honestly and faithfully, preach the same things and guide a person towards the same enlightenments.

GAHHH!!!!! EVERYONE STFU ABOUT THE NAZIS ALREADY!!! HOW DID THIS THREAD ACHIEVE GODWIN'S LAW IN 5 POSTS!!!! IT'S NOT RELEVANT!!!!


sorry,,, tired and cranky. didn't sleep last night have final project due next week. continue.

i think it's because i called ratso a nazi fucker, and that got taken out of context.

yeah i havent slept much either, ha!

i think speaking of mohammed "sticking his cock" into anything would get you killed.

did he have actual physical relations with a prepubescent girl? honestly, i have no idea. but once puberty hits, by natural law, it's a go. our modern ethics and psychology are-- well, modern.

i don't think that all religions prach the same things. i actually dislike religions. i was just reading some catholic book on combatting depression and it was so full of shit-- it said that masturbation causes depression-- AS IF.

anyway, i don't give 2 fucks about religion, honestly. but i do have respect for people's beliefs, and a partial appreciation of them, absurd as i may find some of their aspects.

the ira and the udf were both christian but that never stopped them killing each other. which is to say catholics to don't account for all christians and all christians certainly aren't catholic.
and hitler's views and opinions pretty much permeated through the whole of the nazi party, the national socialists weren't a democratic party, you know?

drawing a picture of mohammed will get you killed.

talking about him sticking his cock into something will get you drawn and quartered.

shoowing a mad load of spooge upon some Mullah's eye ball gets you $100.00.

case in point... theo van gogh (dutch film director and loudmouth) was fond of refering to muslims as "goat fuckers" ... see above photo for results.

EXACTLY
The IRA (roman catholic) and the UDF (protestant) killed each other for their religion. That has been going omn in the UK for centuries, first the protestants kill catholics, then the cathiolics kill protestants and vice versa depending upon who is in power.

Hebrews in israel kill countless palestinians but do not see how that relates to their own millenia long opporession by everyone under the sun.

Sunni Muslims kill countless Shia muslims and vice versa, and will continue to do so.

Many ignorant christians in tyhe USA believe that we are engaged in a religious Holy war, a war between christians like "us" and Muslims.

that will lead to lots and lots of fun i guarantee ya.

ALl I am saying is that the mass realization of the inherent ridiculosuness of belief in a "one and only TRUE religion" needs to occur amongst the whole of humanity.
Until humans get past this superstition we will forvere run the risk of annhihilating ourselves and everyone on the planet.

now i'd say the iron cross has lost any catholic meaning it once had (from the teutonic knights in the 14 C), just as the swastika has lost it's original meaning (ancient buddhist and also hindu good luck symbol).

i'd say naming the nazis as a catholic organisation is going a bit too far.
hitler & cronies set up a state run church (the reich church) but it didn't get very far popularity wise.
german, nazi christians tried to restructure the whole of christianity into a racially pure, new brand. they wanted to clear the church teachings of all the ungerman elements, particually the influence from the vatican.
it is complicated though because you can't just declare war on the catholic church. it's unconcievable.

they are a force to be reckoned with, and that's why the nazis cooperated with them. also, there was the issue of the 22 million catholics in germany at the time, hence the smiley propaganda posters of hitler and bishops.

when talking about nazi germany you have to get past the carefully constructed propaganda shroud and get to the reality - it's what makes it so difficult.

anyway, this is all good revision for my exam on this in january.

also, germany's past includes being the home base for the Holy Catholic church until the schism was "repaired"

the swastika that was used by Hindus and the orient was the reverse of the one used by the nazis.

not debating how important catholism is to germany's history, and vice versa, i'm saying that the nazis weren't a "roman-catholic organisation but something more complex

Regardless of whether Hitler was or was not a Catholic, the teacher was sentenced to 15 days imprisonment, and the British Foreign Office are reluctant to get too involved for fear of insulting British muslims.

ha ha ha

missionaries!

That is just wrong, British Muslim leaders have been saying this is totally ridiculous since it broke. I realise you probably dont mean to, but youre suggesting that British Muslims think this Woman is somehow in the wrong, which aint true.
Having just watched Question Time one panelist made a salient point about the fact this woman may have been turned into a political pawn with Sudan because of Darfur etc.

I know what you mean !@#$%! [hey, rep please for taking the time to spell your name right.] Although I don't think she really qualified as a missionary. Naive, yes, but not a missionary. She's more just someone that was trying to help people out in a horrible situation. She certainly wasn't, as those that prosecuted described her, part of a 'Western plot against Islam'. Can you imagine the secret government talks? "We'll start with the Teddy Bears, then the whole regime will crumble." I think not.

Everything you say is true, but there is still a reluctance on the part of Britain's Foreign Office because they believe (however misguided that belief is) that to do so would be seen as disrespectful to Islamic law by muslims within Britain. Whether those muslims WOULD actually be insulted is another matter entirely.

wouldn't an apology qualify to eliminate any appearance of disrespect?

such as "we are deeply sorry that our fellow heathen insulted your religion. she deserves your punishment, but since the prophet preached mercy, we beg you to consider her ignorance and release her. We sent thee not but as a mercy for all creatures. "

or some sort of ass kissing like that.

anyway,





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ps: i cribbed my quote from here:
http://members.cox.net/arshad/mercy.html

I doubt thats true, everyone knows this thing is ridiculous, i mean does anyone talk about that issue a while ago with Jack Straw and asking the women to remove the Veil when they spoke to him in his constituency? No, because everyone including the Foreign Office knows its nothing.
Anyway what do you propose they should be doing?

this is only partially correct. see your problem with these 'true' religions is they are brutally intolerant (and I agree with you here). but the intolerance of religious people should not discredit religion. as I said before, the only solution is true tolerance, to combat intolerance. so, if you become intolerant in your hatred of someone else's intolerance, you have returned evil for evil, eye for an eye, and both of you lay there blinded by your failures.

This is dead-on.
There's more than enough crazy shit in the original texts; we really don't need to take it out on the people.

Interesting thread, but I'm amazed at how much time some of you guys have on your hands.

As for Theo van Gogh? He didn't deserve to die, but he sure had it coming. Always insulting muslims left, right and centre. I interviewed him on the set of his last film 2 months before he died, and he was a total prick. Also, his columns sucked major balls.

If its amazement youre after just look at some of Sway's threads from recent weeks.

I lost interest in him a long time ago.
Get over it. :)

Good point and something that a lot of the papers never say. What's the percentage of Muslims who don't care about the whole thing and just want to get on with their own lives peacefully and without this much drama? I'd say it is higher than it would be expected.

Man, imagine if a muslim read that. Oh man you'd be mohammowned by them.

Word of the day

hell Mike Diana got put in jail in the USA for drawing CARTOONS!

in many muslim nations, if a woman is raped she goes to prison. you know that? it is a CRIME to be raped. nice patriarchal bullshit there,.

Those wacky Muslims, ya never know what they're gonna do next.

it's no different than the fratboy's "she was asking for it"

just institutionalized

the biggest muslim country in the world however is indonesia

you gotta realize, because of ignorance, many western people confuse arab culture with muslim culture. it's not exactly the same. there was an arab culture with many fucked up practices before the arrival of islam.

anyway, just the other night the republican candidates were all about repealing roe vs. wade.

yep, and there is not a one single GOP candidate that could bear a child.