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HECKLER SPRAY 10.23.2007 06:06 PM

Yeah, live in that fucking rotten world is not a gift...

LittlePuppetBoy 10.23.2007 06:12 PM

Yes. I want to have a kid someday because I will have my seed planted and also because I'm curious as to what attributes the child would take from me. I'm thinking of having two at the most.

pbradley 10.23.2007 06:15 PM

I think I would if I found the right woman to make them with and had a more stable future than how it appears it will be. Keep on the family name, pass on my knowledge, etc.

But this all depends on a great deal of variables and I like to think that I'm too young right now to be caught up in them.

Dead-Air 10.23.2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
the thing about kids: you may think you're not equipped, or you're too self absorbed, or just not stable enough to have them.... but once you do.. you cease to be all those things which ultimately makes you a better person.


Sometimes. There are also plenty of people who raise their children selfishly, in total instability, in neglect, in abuse, and worse. Some people grow up because they have kids, but it's usually a much better plan to grow up first.

I have a son due in March actually. I'm looking forward to it, and it was planned. I wouldn't agree to it until I had a decent job and owned a home. That meant putting it off for many years, but my wife and I are ready now. I look forward to hauling the baby to the radio station every Saturday to do my show.

I'm pretty certain we're only going to have one, because I think that if every two breeders had one child rather than more the world wouldn't be so deathly over-populated. Plus, I was an only child and liked it. I used to work in a place with some blocks out for the kids to play with and the ones by themselves always created really interesting stuff, while the ones with siblings always fought over the blocks.

luxinterior 10.23.2007 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
No way.
No how.
Not ever.

I got a vasectomy when I was 24 after two years of thinking about it.
I still think it was one of the best decisions I ever made.
I'm sure I could have risen to the occasion in the event of an unplanned pregnancy, but that doesn't mean I want to.
My wife and myself both grew up never dreaming of the glorious time when we would one day have kids of our own, and I'm glad she is the non-family type as well, because that kind of thing is a dealbreaker. For some people (and I know a few), having kids is a lifelong dream and when one person wants them that badly and the other one doesn't, someone is going to have to live with a major lifestyle compromise while the other gets 100% of what they want, whether kids are in the picture or not at the end of the day.

I have enough responsibilities as it is, plus being someone who pretty much lives hand-to-mouth, I'm not sure I could provide the kind of security a kid would want. Not to mention, being raised by someone who is fairly pessimistic/misanthropic has to potential to create "issues" of varying types over the years.

Julian, I don't see why a woman saying she doesn't want kids should be a turnoff unless you want them really badly yourself, and with her.
Seriously, a strong woman who knows what she wants (whether that includes kids or not) and puts herself on the path to getting what she wants out of life is a huge turn-on. It shows backbone in the face of societal expectations for all women to be nurturing mommies.

I'm so glad my family never put any pressure on me to have kids; they know what's up, and they understand my position.
There are enough people on this earth. Too many.
I'm also not going to bear the strain on my conscience that being responsible for another human being having to go through childhood and adolescence would bring on.
I enjoy being around my friends' kids (the few who have them), but I also love knowing that for me, kids are not a 24 hour a day commitment.


Thank you for writing some of that (in response to Julian's remark) so that I didn't have to try to articulate a similar idea.

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Originally Posted by Anngella
I hate kids and they hate me. I would consider adopting when I'm older.. but I'm a really independent person and I don't think I would be able to take care of another human.
Plus I would end up giving the poor thing a name like Wilfred or Velveeta.


When I think of the possibility of adoption, it always involves me as a single person. I never really even consider the possibility of finding a man who would also prefer to adopt, because it seems that is extremely rare. I don't know why it's so rare, but mostly I don't think they understand why a woman would want to adopt, and so they go about assuming that whatever woman they end up with will want to have children, no questions asked. But mostly it's like this: If I do someday have a long-term partner, the way I see it now is that I would not want a kid in that situation. Because I'm selfish, and I would not like compromising the life I have with my partner just to raise a child. I don't even like kids (well not being around them constantly at least), so I don't know why I'm writing this.

davenotdead 10.23.2007 10:23 PM

what the hell is with all you guys and this over-populated shite? honestly. al gore isnt right all the time. there is plenty of land in australia...i took a 13 hour bus ride, i know.

avantgarde1 10.23.2007 10:23 PM

fuck no.

Anngella 10.23.2007 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
When I think of the possibility of adoption, it always involves me as a single person. I never really even consider the possibility of finding a man who would also prefer to adopt, because it seems that is extremely rare. I don't know why it's so rare, but mostly I don't think they understand why a woman would want to adopt, and so they go about assuming that whatever woman they end up with will want to have children, no questions asked. But mostly it's like this: If I do someday have a long-term partner, the way I see it now is that I would not want a kid in that situation. Because I'm selfish, and I would not like compromising the life I have with my partner just to raise a child. I don't even like kids (well not being around them constantly at least), so I don't know why I'm writing this.

I think about it both ways. But I don't think I would be able to do it by myself, just for the mere fact that I know I'm not going to be super successful and financially it would be near impossible. I also agree with you that if I end up having a partner, I wouldn't want our relationship to suffer because of a kid. I've seen it happen too many times with friend's parents and my own parents, where they end up being more "married" to the children than the spouse.
Men don't think about why women would want adoption because they don't have vaginas.

!@#$%! 10.23.2007 10:40 PM

i dont know what people have answered here but yes. at this point in my life finally, yes. i think i can spew forth my seed and not raise some kind of fuckups. actually it should be fun. we're currently practicing with a cat; a small ape should multiply the fun. plus i have these cool as shit nephews. oh yes, i'm spawning.

girlgun 10.23.2007 10:52 PM

are you people talking about adopting non-caucasian unamerican non-babies? because white american babies aren't exactly easy to come by. you gotta wait a long time......and pay a lot of fucking money. if you are talking about non-caucasian unamerican non-babies... then that's really fantastic and amazing.

girlgun 10.23.2007 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air
Sometimes. There are also plenty of people who raise their children selfishly, in total instability, in neglect, in abuse, and worse. Some people grow up because they have kids, but it's usually a much better plan to grow up first.



unfortunately i can't argue with that.

Anngella 10.23.2007 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
are you people talking about adopting non-caucasian unamerican non-babies? because white american babies aren't exactly easy to come by. you gotta wait a long time......and pay a lot of fucking money. if you are talking about non-caucasian unamerican non-babies... then that's really fantastic and amazing.

Anything, really. I would rather adopt from this country (not necessarily caucasian) because I think we should help ourselves before we start helping everyone else ..but with the price and whatnot I doubt I would be able to even if I wanted.

girlgun 10.23.2007 11:03 PM

there are just so many americans who want healthy white infants... that it's not really a matter of helping in that case. now adopting a non-caucasion (for lack of a better term) 5 year old... probably a different story.

3 of my 4 siblings were adopted at birth.

Anngella 10.23.2007 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
there are just so many americans who want healthy white infants... that it's not really a matter of helping in that case. now adopting a non-caucasion (for lack of a better term) 5 year old... probably a different story.

3 of my 4 siblings were adopted at birth.

Oh yeah, I definitely don't want to adopt a baby. I'd be so afraid of dropping it or forgetting about it in the tub or something. I would want to adopt a child (anywhere from 4-11ish) from a foster home.

EMMAh 10.23.2007 11:09 PM

Not really no, I don't exactly trust myself with children. I have a short temper. Maybe someday that will change and I'll shoot out a billion of them but for the time being, I say nooo. The world is turning into a giant hell hole anyways.

girlgun 10.23.2007 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Anngella
Oh yeah, I definitely don't want to adopt a baby. I'd be so afraid of dropping it or forgetting about it in the tub or something. I would want to adopt a child (anywhere from 4-11ish) from a foster home.


that's very admirable! but probably a lot more difficult than not dropping a baby. lot of emotional issues to deal with and stuff.

SynthethicalY 10.23.2007 11:20 PM

I would adopt maybe a 3-5 year old, but as I stated as more days go by I don't think I want a child.

gmku 10.24.2007 06:26 AM

Frankly, though I love my kids, I think most young couples these days who are having babies are terribly short-sighted (I'll stop short of "selfish") and aren't thinking about long-term effects on the global environment, natural resources, and so on.

atsonicpark 10.24.2007 07:05 AM

No, I do not want kids in any shape or size or to any degree. Bringing a child into this shitty world? No thanks. I don't even really like kids very much and I wouldn't be qualified enough as a father to shield them from all the bullshit that they'd inevitably be forced to deal with. After all the shit I had to go through growing up -- I mean, I had the most loving mom and grandparents in the world, but that didn't stop me from, at some point, being abused... I mean, how the fuck could I deal with my child being put through hell? I couldn't. I can't fight all their battles, I can't hide them from the injustices of the world -- as much as I'd love to, it'd be impossible. So, fuck it. I'm not going to create something beautiful that will be corrupted by this wasteland. And I also wish I hadn't been born either.

ZEROpumpkins 10.24.2007 07:13 AM

No.

HECKLER SPRAY 10.24.2007 07:17 AM

That' s a good argument.

PAULYBEE2656 10.24.2007 08:20 AM

i have 2, love em but dont want anymore. in fact the appointment for the "snip" is in the thought process at the moment. all i have to do is pluck up the balls (if u excuse the expresion) to go in to the docs and do te deed!

Savage Clone 10.24.2007 08:23 AM

It takes 15 minutes; they do it all outside the body now, and the holes are so tiny that they don't even have to stitch you up.
It's really not all that bad. I watched them do mine; it was pretty interesting.
You definitely can't do any heavy lifting for a week or two afterward, but it's not all that agonizing.

HairwayToSteven 10.24.2007 08:38 AM

No.

PAULYBEE2656 10.24.2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
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You definitely can't do any heavy lifting for a week or two afterward......


man i like yr selling point!

girlgun 10.24.2007 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
So, fuck it. I'm not going to create something beautiful that will be corrupted by this wasteland. And I also wish I hadn't been born either.


wow. :(

Rob Instigator 10.24.2007 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
And now Darwin is dead. What does that tell you?! Huh? HUH!?


darwin's progeny are still around.

Rob Instigator 10.24.2007 01:59 PM

and all you laides out there, trust me, when you hit 30 years old yr body starts pumping itself and yr brain full of certain chemicals that will make you drool with desire the moment you see/hear/feel a baby child near you. It is yr body telling you "you better have the kids now because soon it will be too late!"

a woman's fertility peaks at age 17-23. after that it drops 15-20% every 5 years, and by the time you are 32 yr fertility is about 45% of what it was at yr peak.

I know all this stuff cuz me and the ex-wife tried for years and years to hage children, read all about it, research, etc. and when it did not happen (she was 31-32 at the time) we got tested and I found out I am nearly infertile. we tried for 3 years for nothing. it was rough.

It is for the best because our marriage was slowly crumbling and children would have made the divorcee so much more painful.

there, I've said enough!

_slavo_ 10.24.2007 02:02 PM

No offence intended for those of you guys that said "no", but ain't that just a bit selfish not to want to raise a child? I mean, I'm just thinking about it like that at the present moment. Like "no, this world is a shithole anyway, I don't want my kids to grow up in a place like that"
...hmmmm, here in my country we have a saying "I am here and behind me comes the flood" - you know? It seems like you don't care what happens when you pass away, when you're just gone. You're over and that's it.

I don't think so. I think it's sort of (in a twisted way maybe, I admit) my responsibility to have a child and just let the family carry on.

but again, I ain't blinded by any beliefs or anything, I'm just thinking about it.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.24.2007 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
are you people talking about adopting non-caucasian unamerican non-babies? because white american babies aren't exactly easy to come by. you gotta wait a long time......and pay a lot of fucking money. if you are talking about non-caucasian unamerican non-babies... then that's really fantastic and amazing.


a child is a child
if i'm going to adopt, race would have nothing to do with it

Rob Instigator 10.24.2007 02:08 PM

children are the only real shot anyone has at immortality

Your genes live on, your DNA lives on, your mitochondria live on.

they go into the gene pool of humanity and add to it. not having children is not an easy chouice, just like having children is not an easy choice.

the thing being that maybe half of all children born were "surprises/accidents"

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.24.2007 02:10 PM

I don't know if you remember but my parents have been in the process of adopting a little girl
I think she arrives next week
So excited

Rob Instigator 10.24.2007 02:16 PM

that's wonderful crypto! you will have a new sister.

teach her right from wrong and steer her towards good music

luxinterior 10.24.2007 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue
I don't know if you remember but my parents have been in the process of adopting a little girl
I think she arrives next week
So excited


I remember you saying that a while ago, but I had no idea when it would actually happen. That's great! How old is she?

Savage Clone 10.24.2007 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by _slavo_
No offence intended for those of you guys that said "no", but ain't that just a bit selfish not to want to raise a child?



Your point being what exactly?
Yes, it's selfish, but I'm not going to take on the World's Biggest Commitment just so someone doesn't accuse me of a type of selfishness I'm perfectly willing to admit.
And I have no problem with living a barren, sterile existence that ends when I die.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.24.2007 03:24 PM

she's one and a half, i believe

Anngella 10.24.2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by girlgun
that's very admirable! but probably a lot more difficult than not dropping a baby. lot of emotional issues to deal with and stuff.

I've always been way better at listening/giving advise than with holding things, so I don't think it would be too bad.

Cantankerous 10.26.2007 12:47 AM

no, i'm totally fine with being "the cool aunt"
but if it happens it happens, i suppose

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she arrives next week
crypto did you guys order a kid in the mail?

!@#$%! 10.26.2007 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous

crypto did you guys order a kid in the mail?


organ harvesting is big in texas

Cantankerous 10.26.2007 01:31 AM

funniest thing i've heard all day


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