I'm still very confused by this: A hipster is someone who doesn't listen to music, or someone who does, or dresses in a certain way, or doesn't, or who likes the Blood Brothers, or doesn't... It really just seems like an excuse to create a 2-dimensional witch hunt against people who don't really exist.

can someone settle this for me?

my friend said only scene and emo people listen to fall out boy because they're hardcore/emo. i said that it's mostly the abercrombie kids that want to be scene/are half scene (there's kids here walking around in ass pants, abercrombie jacket and shit, and miles of eyeliner) and mtv sluts that listen to that shit. she said that if you were to go to a FOB concert you'd get beat up if you wore a/f.

who is right?

I couldn't see anybody getting beat up at a Fall Out Boy concert.

It totally depends on the scene. That kind of sounds like me. Barely. But kind of.

The scene kids around here dig Blood Brothers, Aiden, A7X, and any band with double bass kicks and off-pitch screaming. They wear the tightest girl pants ever, band shirts with horrible band names on them, and have spikey girly hair.

Again, totally depends on scene. Pick out 20 random kids at your school. Whatever they are wearing and listen to is your scene.

I'm not reading all this thread... but i will say this.

I think a good number of scene girls are cute... the guys look like cunts tho. I've also come to realize that most scene kids are advanced emos, and that's a drag. But they can be fun from time to time. I'd like to have a sexy fling with a scene/... and a girl from one too sometime.

It is hard to tell the scene boys and girls apart.

The scene kids here are into the generic stuff like From Autumn To Ashes and random myspace screamo bands.

John- Haha. This girl in my seventh period went to their concert last night and went on and on about who she kissed in the mosh pit.

In the words of Thurston Moore (lead singer of Sonic Youth):

"Fuck 'em all!"

It don't matter if they're scenesters, emo, screamo, dream pop, bubblegum, picklefooted webtoed doe eyed skanks, retards in leotards, wankers, fat chicks, skinny chicks, chicks with acne, chicks with dicks, chicks with sticks up their asses, chicks with flat asses, goth chicks, metal chicks, old ladies, psycho chicks, antisocial depressed chicks, virgins, wannabes, hairy chicks, body doubles, stone faced vapid models, religious chicks, bratty girls that wear airbrushed state fair tee shirts that say, "You Can't touch this", Buddhists, check out ladies at the grocery store, chicks who eat their own hair and/or finger/toe nails, chicks who enjoy the movie Jerry Maguire, chicks who don't like the movie Jerry Maguire, Angela Landsbury, Betty Ford, Betty Boop, Betty Rubble... just fuck 'em all man.

And if you're too big a pussy to go talk to em, just get really drunk. Your mouth will be a lawnmower and you won't even give a shit if she rejects you.

the only people i know who listen to fallout boy are frat boys and dudes who like avril lavigne. i guess it varies from location to location. whether you like fallout boy or not, though, you have to admit that they're going 'down taaa in a luuuleluraaaaah!!!"

Hurry up and leave high-school, children!

You win the prize for 'First statement that makes complete sense to me' in this thread.

One of the benefits of adulthood is not caring about this shit.

or being able to poke fun at it.

genius. how can anyone top this?

totally. my sister's a scenester. it's the worst. they all copy band lists off of each other's myspace profiles. and they go to "shows" just to hang out with each other and be seen. er.. scene. that whole scene culture repulses and fascinates me. but even flock of seagulls thought they were cool, once, too...

As someone who gigs regularly, I don't give a shit why people are at shows, even shows I'm not playing at - I'd rather people were going to shows for the wrong reasons than not at all. People grow up, people develop musical taste, we've all been into music that we're embarassed by later (well, not me, but then I have exceptionally good taste). This whole nonsense about criticising people for how they dress/ what music they're into/ whether they're scene or not really doesn't matter, they'll all grow out of it sooner or later, much as I imagine as I get older I'll probably hate what I'm listening to now. A big dose of 'bothered' from over here.

yeah, but it's also worth baring in mind that it those people who are the people who go to gigs just so they can talk over the music, or do other annoying things.

Well, sometimes you just need to play louder. That'll teach 'em.

Playing louder can solve many problems.

I was speaking more about the annoying coffee-house "intellects" who dress "smart" but ultimately cannot hold a conversation about Dostoevsky or even Hemingway for more than 30 seconds--at that key point, once they fail, they remind you how brilliant Fight Club is, and you must resort to either vomiting or teaching the guy/girl how to slit his/her wrists properly.

Of course there's other scene kids that are into the Blood Brothers and whatnot but Radiohead fans are the worst. Ironically, I like Radiohead, but their fans are only matched by die-hard Wes Anderson fans.

CHUCK PALAHNIUK IS VASTLY OVERRATED. invisible monsters was entertaining, but i wouldn't say it was profound, intelligent literature like those starbucks tribes say it is.

Wow. Just when I was preparing shields for an attack by his fans.

The only thing I've read by Palahniuk is Survivor, which I thought was pretty good.
I wouldn't say he's overrated though. Fight Club is overrated, but many of the people I know who rant about Fight Club didn't know it was based on a book and they certainetly do not know the author's name..

The "scene" people I know read that book and walk around with it in their back pocket like it is a fashion accessory. It just stands as another sign to avoid the person. I should start walking around with War and Peace in my back pocket so people will marvel about how large my ass is.

Haha. I'm pretty much a coffee house kid. I suck.

I only go to Starbucks because my brother loves it.

Ack! I'm too indie for starbucks. I got to hole-in-the-wall overpriced coffee shops.

I've tried to the whole coffee house thing, I really don't see what's so great about it. Maybe I just don't like coffee.

I have a ton of friends who work there and it is only a block away. We chill and I go there to do my homework and read and stuff. I dunno. I am what I hate.

I would never be able to work in that sort of enviroment. The solitude of my room seems more appealing than a room full self important dolts. Plus I can smoke in my room.

I don't read or do my work when my friends are with. I can go outside on the porch and smoke.

We don't have porches with our coffee houese here.

Lame. We don't have a porch so much as a patio with this little metal thing overtop of it.

Sounds like its Jimmy-rigged.

Kind of. It is like this thing that vines grow up but they all died and they cut them off of it when winter came. So now it is just like a ghetto-ass metal piece. It is totally like a block away from drug-hell.

So, like, lattice or whatever? My friend has that on her patio, and in the summer all kind of bugs fall from the vines, its disturbing. June bugs are gross.

Coffee might as well be a drug.

Yeah, a lattice. I couldn't think of the word. Coffee is a drug. It just isn't as cool as meth is in my town.