Im going to 'Atrium - Cardiff School of Creative and Cultural Industries' its a new art school thing Glamorgan University are opening in Cardiff. Its opening in September, I'm gonna be in the first year to ever go there. Its gonna be so cool. I'm doing a Music degree

I think that if you would read some of the posts on here a bit more attentively, you'd find that the silly and obnoxiously indie term 'sell out' hasn't been used by anyone.

sarramkrop
you SELLOUT! using the blessed sweet-pussied virgin to gussy up yr avatar image! You don't even want any of that furpie action!

You know how hard Joseph slammed that tight god-virgin 'gina of Mary's after Jeebus was born? man. he had to pay taxes to Nero for that shit!

my apologies then, was just a turn of phrase... i was referring to the people who are arguing the band are playing the shows either for money or cos they've strayed into some artistic cul-de-sac...

are you the same scottheron that was on the "old board"?

umm... i don't think so - as you can see, i'm a pretty infrequent poster, more of an anonymous browser generally...
was he a nice guy? :)

No worries, it's all opinions. Personally it feels like a cul-de-sac for me, but the good thing about it is that the younger people who got to know the band later in their carrer get to hear them playing what still remains a great record. I'd rather if they just put out a great Sonic Youth record and toured that, but that's opinions and we all have them. As for making money out of it, why should they be denied making money out of their talent? I'll never understand this risible idea of artistic purity that comes from not making money out of your talent when everything costs money in this society. If the music is good, i'll shell out, if it's not, i won't.

'Sell Out' isn't really an indie term - Metalheads use it even more

Anyway I have always been convinced that people who use that term should be burned at the stake...its the least most helpfull/insightful/productive term ever uttered in relation to music. It inhibits any degree of intellegent discourse.

Actually, I'm not even sure there was a scottheron on the old board :) , I vaguely remember a similar username, but maybe I'm just making this all up in my mind... :)

Hm, wish I'd looked over my post before submitting now... :(
My point was just that I think the Don't Look Back series of gigs are a nice idea, and give fans like us a unique experience. For all we know, the band may be doing it for money or lack of better ideas, but I think playing DN is a pretty interesting artistic decision in itself...
And I can't wait...

And I totally agree :)

Thinking about it, I don't think it was me, as I haven't been using this username for too long...
I needed a name, was listening to Gil Scott-Heron at the time... problem solved :)

Haha don't worry it wasn't directed at you. You used the term in relation to how idiots speak in order to highlight an intelligent point. I always use ' ' though....it pisses people off because it always looks so condesending, 'Sellout' hehe....I don't mean it to look that way, it just usefull for deflecting any responsability.

The term was also used in the sixties and before then.

the only real sell out of the past 5 years is LIZ PHAIR anyways.

Haha heres a new thread idea: 'The History of the Word SELLOUT'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out

That was an interesting read, ta.

Haha I know I can't believe I took time out of my life to read it...
I'm such a Geek!

Is there anything Wikipedia doesn't have something on...

'Tossing the Salad' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal-oral_contact
'Cunt' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt
'Taking a Dump' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_a_dump

....Unbelievable haha

In reply to the main post:

Jesus fuck. Why invest so much time into thinking abooouuuttt soooo littttllllleeee? Go and see Sonic Youth and stop worrying about absolutely nothing my friend!

As the Super Furry Animals may say....'at least its not the end of the world....'

GET A GRIP.

Sonic Youth will always be better than you

while i don't care one iota about the apparent "ethical" issues regarding whether they should play these songs, i decided not to buy a ticket because it would break my heart to see songs like cross the breeze, the sprawl, rain king, etc butchered, and i reckon they probably will be butchered.

Why do you think they'll butcher these songs? Have faith man, believe.

i'll be in LA when the shows happen, don't know if i'll go or not. i'd rather hear them play sister start to finish.... and is watt or ibold going to play bass? i thought kim's hands hurt too much when she plays bass these days

i don't see any reason for them not to revisit what many feel is their greatest work. i don't think they are in a rut. rather ripped wasn't my favorite, but it wasn't terrible. plenty of fun to be had there. i'm betting that the next album, after the split from geffen, will be different and that it will RULE

Promoting an old album makes more sense than promoting a new one... Hmmm, I'll have to think about that, I'll get back to you later.


I'm struggling to think of an appropriate response to this.

Rob says the band wants to "rock". I suggest that they put out a new "rock" album if that is what they want to do, rather than revisit an old one. So why does this warrant a statement that Sonic Youth will always be better then me? Because I dare to question why they are doing something, rather than slavishly worshipping them? Explain your logic.


Please accept my hearty apologies for having a mind of my own and wishing to discuss my thoughts. I will enter myself into a rehab clinic and learn how to slavishly worship.

in my opinion (without having read the 3 pages of this thread, i am on minimal time here), sonic youth have always been a band to try their hand at everything. by this i mean that they have their fingers in the contemporary art world, they are involved with the underground noise movement/free improv scene, poetics/literature (albeit minimally) while still aspiring to be a "mainstream" band and enter popular consciousness (playing @ the reading & leeds for example). they have always been challenging and interesting to the sonic youth fan/listener. therefore i think that this nostalgia fest is the band experimenting with different concepts/ideas as they have been doing since 1981. i admire them for taking a new move, i guess (obviously i would prefer them releasing a SYR or a new album and touring it rather than doing this, but i won't hold them against it, i'm going to go and enjoy it!

Yeah, those guys don't know how lucky they are. I'd give my arm to see just one DN shows.

Dear Sonicl,

I am ofcourse delighted to read anyhing that you have to say on the subject of one of my favourite bands. However, what i was trying to say is, you seem to be getting a tad over excited about the nature of these shows and you are clearly wrestling with a number of reasons as to why SY would be taking part in them. You live in Surrey,I myself in Glasgow, so i hope you will be able to appreciate the comparison i might make between yourself and someone who spends time worrying about what the character of Marge Bishop from neighbours is going to do about her Irritable Bowl Syndrome. To me, yu just seem to be missing the bigger picture. I for one couldnt care less if SY exploded into a thousand little peices this very afternoon. My life will not stop, i am not 'slavishly worshiping', i am alive and will live on.

What im saying is, chill out! Enjoy your SY records and let them worry about how they make a living. You have the fruits of their labour to drool over, rather than the balance of their bank accounts. They WILL play more shows in the future.

Take it easy my friend.

I haven't read a patronising post like the one above in a long time. Are you a 12 year old?

yeah, but who says they're setting out to promote anything? as far as i can see, they're just sharing their music with people who want to hear it...

Okay, first of all, it's Madge from Neighbours, not Marge, and she died some time ago so I doubt her IBS is troubling her any more, so you can relax about that.

And second, I refuse to take in the least bit seriously any person who quotes Super Furry Animals in a post.

Are Sonic Youth a dogma, then?

Would you top your parents off for them?

tr00 fan.

Sonic Youth can still play Daydream songs great, Kissability on the Murray Street tour sounded better then the album. Candle, Erics Trip, Silver Rocket, Teenage Riot all still make regular appearences and sound awesome, I don't think they'd fuck it up.

I would top off your mom for them!!!!!

Was it really Madge? fuck. There goes my argument.

And another thing, if i came across in a patronising way...im really really sorry, would it be ok if we just forgot about that little episode? Cos your, like, pretty fuckin great. Your the dogs duuuude. I dont know about anyone else, but i look up to you baby. honest

And whats up with quoting SFA? please, do tell.

Yes,almost 13. Are you slightly overweight?

More than slightly.

i remember tramp arse from the old board, he was alright

Here's what you got to ask, have they ever played Daydream Nation in its entirety before? Even when they were touring with it they probobly played like six songs from it and then played older material as well. "Daydream Nation" is a great album, its thier "White Album", thier "The Wall", and it doesn't matter what album they put out afterwards, they can put out a triple album and "Daydream" will still be widely seen as thier best album. The re-issue is a good excuse to go out on the road, which they probobly love doing anyway, and playing not just one-three songs from what 99% of SY fans consider to be thier best album, but the complete album. I hope to see this show, I've only seen them once when they toured for "Sonic Nurse" and I feel they didn't play enough older material, and they didn't play any from DN.

hello,
noob to the board followed the band for 15 yrs or so......
question that i can't find hear is that the dn show for san francisco that has not gone on sale yet is therea presale thru this site or a radio station?