no, i agree chabib.. i just meant at the time of ATP 04 I had never heard Black Dice or Wolf Eyes... I was totally blown away... Thurston's top 10 records of 05 for volcanic tongue has lots of esoteric stuff eg. Cant, Religious Knives (double leopards side project).. i haven't heard of most of it.. i just meant if the spirit of this ATP is anything like ATP 04 eg anything goes complete WEIRDNESS, then it'll be all good.. which i'm sure it will..

i think festivals suck big time.

i'm curious about the lineup though. like chris says, let's see if they can pull one without the "usual suspects"

Oh shut up. Just shut up the lot of you.

why? there's pretty much only constructive criticism in this thread.

festivals largely suck but ATP is one of the exceptions to this rule. You get to stay in chalets and listen to the most obscure cool shit imaginable.. there seems to be a lot more underground festivals cropping up these days eg. No Fun, Subcurrent, Kill Yr Timid Notion, Le Weekend etc.

i'm with kegma here, but also against.

it's not the same watching a show in a small place with (semi) unlimited time to play than seeing 50 bands play for 30-40 minutes in a big place where the energy is lost. also, when you go see a couple of bands you are almost into them or open to listen to stuff you haven't heard, and with festivals, it's mostly people who just go to see a couple of bands and get bored the rest of the time, to me, that's a buzzkiller.

that's my point of view.

I like festivals for their variety, it's a whole day or more event, and because it's a gathering of cool people (usually).

BECAUSE I CANT GO!!!!!! HIGHER EDUCATION NEUTERS MY BEING ONCE AGAIN!!!!

I'm VERY excited by this. Very, very excited.

I love All Tomorrow's Parties. I love everything those people put on. All the ATP events I saw last year were great, easily the live highlights of 2005 for me (Vincent Gallo's ATP weekend at Camber Sands, Mike Watt & the Secondmen at the ICA and (of course) The Stooges performing 'Funhouse' at the Hammersmith Apollo.)

I can't wait to see what Thurston puts on (and what the new venue is like.)

well ATP takes place in a fairly small indoor venue... and most bands play longer than 30-40 mins i think, also seeing like 60 bands play over the course of 3 days is a totally amazing headfuck.

sonar is a danced based festival in barcelona, though it does feature "avant-garde" type stuff too

yeah. sonar wasn't what i was thinking about. it was subcurrent. i'm not even sure why sonar was on the tip of my mind.

Just die, all of you, just die in immense teenage pain.

and along with that, there won't be much of that boredom: the people there are generally a lot more open-minded than at most festivals. maybe even more than the many scottish experimental festivals mentioned, as they're cheap enough for anyone with a moderate fancy for something to do to come along.

but despite that, i hope to get some amusement from the trad rocker types being baffled and enraged by something like a dredd foole solo vocal performance.

Why don't they do the ATP festival in Long Beach anymore?
It makes me sad...:(

If there's some sort of Dredd Foole solo vocal type deal then It'll probably be worth it.

Snoop wasn't having any of it!

The accommodation appears to be in two-person rooms, but none of my friends are into the kind of music as me. Anyone interested in sharing?

Fucking Minehead - that's only a couple of Junctions away from me - I'm closer than Charlie... ace. Anyone know how I might apply to work there? I can be there in 20 minutes. Mwuhahaha.

[I'm in WSM for those who know parochial Somerset geography]