I can't tell if this is well-observed humour or entirely risible.

Good aide memoire, me.

The AIDS your parents have?

Dude.

I know LOTS of Hardcore fans. I know lots of Hardcore bands. I know fuck all about Hardcore. I have friends in the Hardcore scene coming out of my arse. Unanimously and without exception, all of them like Refused. More than Black Flag. More than Bad Brains. Just because I'll happily admit knowing fuck all about hardcore doesn't mean you can come in with some sort of faux-intellectualism about what's really hardcore and what's really not hardcore. It doesn't matter. Throw a stone in the ugly, sexless pool of hardcore fans and you WILL hit a refused fan.

black flag is overrated.

there, I said it

hard-core also hard·core (härd'kôr', -kōr')
adj.

1. Intensely loyal; die-hard. example: a hard-core secessionist; a hard-core golfer.
2. Stubbornly resistant to improvement or change. example: hard-core poverty.
3. Extremely graphic or explicit. example: hard-core pornography.

Ok sway, YOU are hardcore, not Refused. Glass of wine?

Good for you. Give yourself a punch in the face. It helps prove your point a little better.

Sway, you have AIDS. I'm getting in the shower, then I'm going out to see a gay band with a load of girls, one or more of whom I may have sex with. If anyone would continue to tell Sway that he has AIDS, the bad kind, the kind that makes your face all AIDS-y, that'd be excellent.

To re-cap: I said something right. Sway didn't. Sway has AIDS.

Could've saved a lot of time by just saying that. Oh, efficacy, why hast thou forsaken me?

swa(y) - You're hardcore stubborn. Does that help?

God, you really are insane. What threats or begging do you speak of?

Anyway, I'm off too. Another exhibition opening tonight. Another joyful and decadent event.

Hardcore stubborn was too kind. I've checked the thesaurus, and I prefer "hardcore pig-headed".

swa(y) - you're hardcore pig-headed.

Or, as synthetically would have it, you're 'ardcore pig-'eaded

I'm going home now, to eat a salad, with some felafel. Which is neither punk nor hardcore. Possibly a little hippy?

sonicl, you forgot to add albini esque when describing him.

Punk fashion, another indication of the hypocritical "anti-establish" rhetoric of the so-called punk movement.

richard hell's girlfriend cut up all his clothes and he was broke. you do the math.

Man, this is stupid, but anyway:

Refused were hardcore. They were a huge part of the hardcore movement in Umea which influenced a huge majority of Sweden and then internationally too.
The Shape of Punk to Come was not Refuseds first album. That was their album that they wanted to progress and make something more out of punk music, hence the title. And they did a splendid job of it too. Therefore, what's more punk than that?

Anyway, listen to their first couple of albums, they're standard hardcore albums (well maybe "Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent" was more of a sign of what was to come from them. But still very indicative of hardcore), hence why they've got nothing on The Shape...

Hey punk fashion is alright, proper fuckin rebellious. Anyway, kate moss is a punk and she's into fashion so, i dunno. yeah

You had to mention felafels, didn't you?

Now I crave and my belly rumbles.

In a philosophy that preaches about self-expression against the confines of an ideology, having a discernible fashion is the exact opposite of an anti-herd stance.

History has show time and again that bands have had to "leave" punk rock because what they were doing didn't agree with the established punk dogma.