Haha!

This gay hip hop number is for Tokolosh:

DUTCHBOY – Funky Bisexual (B.Q.E. Remix)

It's taken from this compilation

Much appreciated, but where's the link?

Go on the phat family label website and find it.

truthfully, i can listen to a hip hop track, and i like some anticon stuff, but listening to a whole hip hop record is one of the most boring, excruciating things on the planet.

Public Enemy sampled a drum loop for an interlude on It Takes A Nation... My Bloody Valentine used that same drum loop on Instrumental B (and added lots of ethereal atmospherics). Madonna also used that same drum loop on Justify My Love.

That drum loop didn't originate from Public Enemy (though they 'discovered' it). And besides, using your logic, Justify My Love would also be a Public Enemy cover.

I like lots of hiphop. I own most of the 'classics' (I love Original Gangster, Strictly 4 My Niggaz, Fear Of A Black Planet, Low End Theory, 36 Chambers, Moment Of Truth, etc). But I've come to the conclusion that, at the moment, the genre is mostly infantile horseshit.

A typical mainstream song will consist of an odious idiot bragging about how hard he is and how big his penis is over a simplistic, repetitive beat. True, Rakim only had one subject: 'I'm the greatest', but at least he tried to say he was the greatest in as imaginative or witty way as possible.

I particularly dislike 'conscious' hiphop. As far as I can tell, a typical 'conscious' song will consist of an odious idiot bragging about how intelligent and conscious he is over a boring jazz/soul sample (without ever saying anything that is intelligent - simply stating that he is 'intelligent' ad nausea).

Hiphop gets away with it too often. Recently (sorry for this British example), Bloc Party criticised Oasis for their dumb lyrics. Yet they love Lethal Bizzle, a rapper whose latest album flaunts every negative Black stereotype: violent ('I'll put your face through glass!', 'shoot it! shoot it!'), misogynistic ('Treat them like dirt, don't care if they get hurt!') and full of criminality. I suppose its ok if Black people use lyrics like these because they don't know any better eh?

Anticon stuff is for people who are scared of the real deal, though. So, listening to another tape rewinded with bits of noisey things on top is less excruciating than listening to a whole hip hop record? You never fail to fascinate me atsonicpark.

So if you haven't heard them, then they don't exist? Or because you haven't heard them, you just don't want to hear about them?


I fail to see how any genre of music leads to burn out any faster than any other. Nor, do I understand why anyone would deny the great art somebody has made if they happen to go on to make shit later. I can fully listen to early David Bowie, Echo & the Bunnymen, or Rolling Stones albums without once concerning myself with how much they later sucked. The phrase "Even if there was a rapper with something to say" reeks mightily of a troll to bait somebody into calling you a racist, by implying that a rapper with something to say is such a novel idea. However, it's so patently ridiculous, it's not worth the accusation you seek.


The lyrics to nearly all popular music look pretty silly on paper without music. '60s comedian Steve Allen did a routine on "Laugh In" where he would recite the words of a popular song as if they were "serious" poetry. This argument is nothing new, and hardly unique to hip hop. However, I think you will find that the lyrics to "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, "Welcome to the Terror Dome" by Public Enemy, and "In Midst of Struggle" by Dalek, to cover three different eras of hip hop, all read quite well off the page, and are densely "literate".


Ah, so we have the old "sampling is stealing" argument. I hear the RIAA is hiring.

evollove: you suck and your thread gave me a headache

Maybe I am scared of the real thing, but some of the Anticon stuff I've heard is actually interesting to listen to. I mean, that one Clouddead record that's basically an ambient album with bits of rapping on it? Genius. And Themselves - "Good People Check" might be one of the best songs ever written...

Oh, you're all too easy to piss off.

Rap is for retards. Nuff sed.

(although Public Enemy beat out SY in the famous villiage voice pazz and jop poll, so maybe i'll check that out, despite the fact that they're anti-semetic mushbrained morons)

Public Enemy's Fear Of A Black Planet or Apocalypse '91... are definitely worth checking out. The former is so dense musically, a collage of hundreds of sounds (they sample everything from funk to metal; and then add samples of drills and sirens over the top!) crafted together in such a seamless way. It's so chaotic and noisy yet oddly danceable too (big basslines!). Chuck has a great voice too...

the anti-semetism claims were tenuous at best

read chuck d's so-called book and get back to me.

yep, i've read that, still the accusations were tenuous.